Im currently running 750 tren and 750 sust with 50ed of Winstrol (winny) and am on week 4 with this cycle but have yet to see the results that others seem 2 get when on this stuff. This is my 4th cycle ive done im 5'5 and 183lbs with about 15% BF i want 2 be more ripped thats why i went with the Winstrol (winny) and ive been eating pretty clean a few slip ups with beers with the boyz but other than that im doing good wih my diet. i think the gear i have might be shit any thoughts or advice ?? Im knew around here so be gentle..lol..im taking milk thistle and have nova for PCT.
Shit gear???
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PowerBuild
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My first time taking tren I wasn't very impressed, but the 2nd cycle everything went through the roof. The other thing, with tren and Winstrol (winny) together your weight will not go up much. But... Any weight you gain will be quality muscle.
My other advice.... Up the test! I always recommend doing more test than other anabolics.
Have fun man, hopefully it picks up for you
My other advice.... Up the test! I always recommend doing more test than other anabolics.
Have fun man, hopefully it picks up for you
KaiserSose
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Their has been alot of talk by very knowledgeable vets on many different boards about running tren higher than test, it used to be thought to run test higher but not so much anymore,,look into it,,better gains less sides
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Killermonkey
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Bro, I don't think you should up the test. That is more Tren than the advanced user would take and 4 cycles still makes you out to be a novice user IMO. For example, I am 9 cycles deep and am 5'9" , 200 lbs, 9% bf and so I decided to just up my test base to 750 and run Tren at 400. Regardless of what others tell you, at minimum your test to Tren ratio should 1.5 to 1 meaning that when you run 400 mgs of Tren you need to be running 600 mgs of test or higher.
Have some aromasin or adex on hand and if you are really sensitive, buy some bromocriptin.
Power build is right when upping the test over anabolics but you need to simply decrease the Tren.
Have some aromasin or adex on hand and if you are really sensitive, buy some bromocriptin.
Power build is right when upping the test over anabolics but you need to simply decrease the Tren.
Preachercurlz
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im pretty new here so i hope im not stepping on anyones toes. but my first cycle was with tren and winni and my weight gains were about 15lbs on a six week cycle. i didnt do enough research so i didnt have any test at all. hope that helps. besides if youre at week for on those quantities and not seeing any gains, youre either slacking at the gym or have bogus shit
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Killermonkey
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I cannot run any cycle without test, it doesnt work for me.
KaiserSose
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A simple google search about running tren higher will lead you to a wealth of information, all I am saying is read and study up for yourself its always better than just taking peoples word.
KaiserSose
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With the amount of tren you are running I would think you would have gotten some of the usual side's by now, night sweats, insomnia, something
juced_porkchop
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i REALLY hope this is not your first cycle.
is it?
is it?
shit gear
No its my 4th cycle....im just not seeing the gains everyone talks about with tren i think i just have shit gear its from a lab in canada ive never heard of anybody talk about this lab before. And ive had night sweats but im sleeping fine its just that for the amount im doing i should be seeing better results i think.Also ive got my blood work back and my levels are normal ,BP normal i was exspecting to see a bit of a rise in BP or my cholesteral levels be high but there fine seems to me that if my gear was real id see some sort of change.
No its my 4th cycle....im just not seeing the gains everyone talks about with tren i think i just have shit gear its from a lab in canada ive never heard of anybody talk about this lab before. And ive had night sweats but im sleeping fine its just that for the amount im doing i should be seeing better results i think.Also ive got my blood work back and my levels are normal ,BP normal i was exspecting to see a bit of a rise in BP or my cholesteral levels be high but there fine seems to me that if my gear was real id see some sort of change.
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KaiserSose
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Brush it off its happened to most everybody at least once. Wasnt a great cycle imo anyway, at least this time around you can do it right.
KaiserSose
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Well for starters the tren was too high, and I would suggest running tren ace instead this way if the sides are unbearable you can quickly get off, the Winstrol (winny) should have been added to the end of your cycle and not started right at the beginning, Winstrol (winny) is good for those that are already fairly lean anyway, Sustanon (sust) is not the choice of many knowledgeable people, I personally have never ran it but trust the advice I have gotten from very very knowledgeable friends, I would just go with prop since you will be pinning alot, ed, anyway, the tren will work wonders and I don't think you will even need the Winny,
Well as soon as i find another source which might take awhile ill take ur advice and give it a try. I really dont like takin orals anyway just was told by my " source " that it would help lean me out. What do u think about nova for post cycle therapy (pct) do you think thats all ill need once i get legit stuff cause ive used it with this stuff ive got from this guy before but obvioulsy i could have been takin anything cause the gear was shit. Thanx for ur advice.
KaiserSose
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No nolva is not enough for pct, I would look into a torem nolva combo or the traditional nolva clomid combo, also take 200mg vitamin b6daily , hcg, and a preventative Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin wouldn't be a bad idea, tren will shut you down hard so Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a must
Jackmcnasty
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I'm iffy about my gear as well. I am getting bigger and stronger but not as I would expect. I almost think it is a placebo effect. I am also in Canada and the lab is advanced body science.
I have another source that is local and he has northern rx. It is more expensive but I know the guy and he uses it and he gets great results. This is such a tricky game.
I have another source that is local and he has northern rx. It is more expensive but I know the guy and he uses it and he gets great results. This is such a tricky game.
