Short cycle, 4 week, Test propionate

[fully_paully]

Just to tell you all this cycle isn't for me but think what you want.

Anywho, first time he'll be doing a cycle, wants to do short cycle 4 week then 4-6 week off, gonna look something like this

Testosterone propionate - 300mg a week split in 3 shots a week

Mon - 100mg , Wed 100mg, Fri 100mg

1 week after last shot

Clomid 100mg/ 7days
Clomid 50mg/ 7days


1.Should an estrogen blocker be used like nolva or arimidex for such a short cycle??

When they say 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, is that surpose to mean 4 weeks AFTER you finish your post cycle therapy (pct) or after your last shot of steroid?


Any problems with this cycle if its crap or needs to be edited etc feel free to post

Thanks

 

[gogetter]

What is your friends stats. age, years training , weight #of cycles. i assume htis will be his first

4 weeks it kind of pointless. also for shorter cycles i like to use heavier amounts of gear.

and i would post cycle therapy (pct) for 3 weeks

i would ass an oral to help with gains

and 4 weeks plus post cycle time = time on so time off should be the same. although not everone folows this rule.

also with the low ammound of gear he prob will not need to worry about estrogen. but just in case tell " your friend" to keep some nolva on hand and he can take that if he has any isssues.

you might wanna re think this cycle

 

[sean usmc]

i would run at least an 8 week min..cycle using test prop...and the 4 weeks after is the pct.....

 

[Rusamont]

with prop, post cycle therapy (pct) should start 3 days after last inject

 

[StoneColdNTO]

a VERY interesting read.... http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...29773-short-cycles-good-gains-less-sides.html

 

[fully_paully]

The reason he wants to do a short cycle is not being able to get and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), so how should a first cycle look if you cant get your hands on any Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), or should you just give up till you can find some?

 

[big12]

The cycle isn't total crap, it just needs tweaking. Test prop is best shot eod. I would tell him to inject one extra day during the week. When I run prop I inject on Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat. post cycle therapy (pct) should start 2-3 days after the last injection.

PCT
Week 1
Day 1:200mg
Day 2-7: 100mg
Week 2
50mg daily
Week 3
50mg daily

This entire cycle (including PCT) is 7 weeks long, which means he will need 7 weeks of being "clean" before he can start another cycle.

 

[fully_paully]

l got it now never mind

 

[AI]

The cycle isn't total crap, it just needs tweaking. Test prop is best shot eod. I would tell him to inject one extra day during the week. When I run prop I inject on Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat. post cycle therapy (pct) should start 2-3 days after the last injection.

post cycle therapy (pct)
Week 1
Day 1:200mg
Day 2-7: 100mg
Week 2
50mg daily
Week 3
50mg daily

This entire cycle (including post cycle therapy (pct)) is 7 weeks long, which means he will need 7 weeks of being "clean" before he can start another cycle.

How's it going guys.. I know this is an old post, but Prop has a half life of 2-3 days. I did the calculation on excel and used this calculator for the half life:

Half-Life Calculator - Calculates Time, Half-Time, Beginning Amount, Ending Amount

What is the objective? Is it to keep the dosage each day steady at 200mg?

Here is a 3 day half life, best case scenario:

Day 1 200
Day 2 158.74
Day 3 225.99
Day 4 179.37
Day 5 242.366
Day 6 192.366
Day 7 252.681
Day 8 200.553
Day 9 209.179
Day 10 166.026
Day 11 181.775
Day 12 144.275
Day 13 164.5113
Day 14 130.5728
Day 15 153.6358
Day 16 121.9404
Day 17 146.7847
Day 18 116.5027
Day 19 139.9884
Day 20 108.6282
Day 21 133.7384
Day 22 103.6676
Day 23 129.8011
Day 24 100.5426
Day 25 129.8011
Day 26 100.5426
Day 27 129.8011
Day 28 100.5426
Day 29 79.8011
Day 30 60.8576
Day 31 48.3031
Day 32 35.8576
Day 33 28.4601
Day 34 20.1086
Day 35 15.9601
Day 36 10.1873
Day 37 8.0856
Day 38 3.9373
Day 39 3.125


Here is a 2 day half life:

Day 1 200
Day 2 141.42
Day 3 200
Day 4 141.422
Day 5 200
Day 6 141.421
Day 7 200
Day 8 141.422
Day 9 150
Day 10 106.0656
Day 11 125
Day 12 88.3886
Day 13 112.5
Day 14 75.13
Day 15 103.125
Day 16 70.7106
Day 17 100
Day 18 66.2912
Day 19 96.875
Day 20 66.2912
Day 21 96.875
Day 22 66.2912
Day 23 96.875
Day 24 66.2912
Day 25 96.875
Day 26 66.2912
Day 27 96.875
Day 28 66.2912
Day 29 46.875
Day 30 30.9362
Day 31 21.875
Day 32 13.2582
Day 33 9.375
Day 34 4.4194
Day 35 3.125

 

[AI]

It seems a little better with a 200 front load and 100 eod (any other opinions on this?)

2 day half life:

Day 1 200
Day 2 141.42
Day 3 200
Day 4 141.422
Day 5 200
Day 6 141.421
Day 7 200
Day 8 141.422
Day 9 200
Day 10 141.4216
Day 11 200
Day 12 141.4216
Day 13 200
Day 14 137.0022
Day 15 196.875
Day 16 137.0022
Day 17 196.875
Day 18 137.0022
Day 19 196.875
Day 20 137.0022
Day 21 196.875
Day 22 137.0022
Day 23 196.875
Day 24 137.0022
Day 25 196.875
Day 26 137.0022
Day 27 196.875
Day 28 137.0022
Day 29 96.875
Day 30 66.2912
Day 31 46.875
Day 32 30.9362
Day 33 21.875
Day 34 13.2582
Day 35 9.375


And this with a 3 day half life:

Day 1 200
Day 2 158.74
Day 3 225.99
Day 4 179.37
Day 5 242.366
Day 6 192.366
Day 7 252.681
Day 8 200.553
Day 9 259.179
Day 10 205.711
Day 11 263.273
Day 12 208.96
Day 13 265.8513
Day 14 211.0068
Day 15 267.4758
Day 16 212.2961
Day 17 268.4992
Day 18 213.1084
Day 19 266.6636
Day 20 209.1711
Day 21 263.5386
Day 22 209.1711
Day 23 263.5386
Day 24 209.1711
Day 25 263.5386
Day 26 209.1711
Day 27 263.5386
Day 28 209.1711
Day 29 163.5386
Day 30 129.8011
Day 31 100.5426
Day 32 79.8011
Day 33 60.8576
Day 34 48.3031
Day 35 35.8576
Day 36 28.4601
Day 37 20.1086
Day 38 15.9601
Day 39 10.1873
Day 40 8.0856
Day 41 3.9373
Day 42 3.125

 

[DADAWG]

either way it a 4 week cycle and you will be shut down damn near that long afterwards , why bother.

 

[AI]

Da Dawg.. I know you know your shit.. I've heard some really good things about the 4 week prop cycles. Less recover time, less losses. I also want to be able to stop the cycle if my hair starts streaming out of my head.. ha.

Here's a thread that addresses it:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...29773-short-cycles-good-gains-less-sides.html

WHAT QUALIFIES AS SHORT

"In my book" any cycle 6 weeks or less is a short cycle. Personally I now think that 4 weekers give the best gains to sides ratio.

You can do 2 weeks "on" 2-4 weeks "off"
You can do 4 weeks on and 4-6 weeks off
Or you can do 6 weeks on with 6-8 weeks off.
4 weeks on and 4 weeks off, year round, gives excellent results and you are only "on" half the year.

WHAT TO EXPECT

If one is not yet at ones natural maximum level of muscular developement then very good gains can be seen of up to 15 pounds and 10 pounds kept after a 4 weeker...as long as you train correctly as a natural post cycle.

test prop can be run all by itself at 75-200mg/day with great results too.

This was my logic...

 

[DADAWG]

Da Dawg.. I know you know your shit.. I've heard some really good things about the 4 week prop cycles. Less recover time, less losses. I also want to be able to stop the cycle if my hair starts streaming out of my head.. ha.

Here's a thread that addresses it:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...29773-short-cycles-good-gains-less-sides.html

WHAT QUALIFIES AS SHORT

"In my book" any cycle 6 weeks or less is a short cycle. Personally I now think that 4 weekers give the best gains to sides ratio.

You can do 2 weeks "on" 2-4 weeks "off"
You can do 4 weeks on and 4-6 weeks off
Or you can do 6 weeks on with 6-8 weeks off.
4 weeks on and 4 weeks off, year round, gives excellent results and you are only "on" half the year.

WHAT TO EXPECT

If one is not yet at ones natural maximum level of muscular developement then very good gains can be seen of up to 15 pounds and 10 pounds kept after a 4 weeker...as long as you train correctly as a natural post cycle.

test prop can be run all by itself at 75-200mg/day with great results too.

This was my logic...

your living in fairy tale land . if your taking enough gear to gain 15 pounds of lean mass it takes longer than 4 weeks and you will be shut down hard.


look at the doses 75-200 mg a day. why would you push 1400 mg a week of prop is some misguided attempt at gaining mass in 4 weeks and THEN expect not to be shut down lol.

 

[AI]

In the article they address shutting down and say that it will happen:

#5.
Do them if you do NOT want to use HCG during a cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. HPTA shut down will be complete in as little as a week "on" but testicualr atrophy is minimal due to the short length of this shut down. This then allows for better HPTA recovery post cycle.

Not sure.. I'm still considering a longer cycle than 4, but only if something changes during the cycle, like I "feel" like I should do 2 more weeks, etc. At least I'll have a few weeks to decide on Prop.

This is the first time I'm going to juice up in 13 years so I'm kind of nervous about the sides. It also seems healthier from reading the post. Last time I was like 22 and had no idea what I was doing.. it was so bad. Prob took like 5 shots of Sus 250, 1 a week and no post cycle therapy (pct), got gyno and hair started falling out.. (took propecia and luckily it came back) It sucked. I actually had gyno surgery and don't have to worry about it now, but my hair is a concern. I look fucking crazy w/ a bald head (courtesy of 1 drunken night in college..ha) I did get up to 195 at 5'9'' and around 9% BF..

Anyway, I do think I could gain a good amount since it's my first in a long time. I'm not 100%, but when I do the cycle I'll start a log so others can see how it works for me..

 

[AI]

Da Dawg.. do you know any people that did 4 weekers? If so, is this article complete bullshit? ha.. Any experiences would be really helpful in making my decision.. Thanks...

 

[DADAWG]

Da Dawg.. do you know any people that did 4 weekers? If so, is this article complete bullshit? ha.. Any experiences would be really helpful in making my decision.. Thanks...

your wanting a cycle with less side effects.
why wouldnt you run a low dose cycle for 12-16 weeks . run hcg during the cycle to prevent testicular atrophy . run aromasin to keep gyno and bloat away.longer lower dose cycles give solid keepable gains with minimal side effects.

 

[tactical tachyon]

I want to do a cycle like this in January. I should be pushing my natural maxes by then and that gives me time to get my diet in check and push my weight up as much as possible with that. Still, I'm only 22 and my main concern is the HPTA shutdown. I was going to do an extended Anavar (var) only cycle but I can't get that anyway and I know how you guys feel about that. would a good enough PCT (or perhaps a different dosing technique) be able to mitigate the shut down, or is it pretty much completely unavoidable? If a cycle like this could help me put on +5 lbs of solid, retainable mass, I think it would be worth it

 

[AI]

Tactical, I have similar goals to you, prob would like to gain more like 10lbs of muscle I could keep. But I've been researching primobolan. It seems like it may be a pretty good one for you. Maybe 300-400mg per week?

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and for gods sake dont give advice when you dont know what your talking about.

 

[tactical tachyon]

bump for my question

 

[coltmc45]

Your 22 and think you'll be pushing your natty maxes by January? What's your basis for this?

Have you had blood work done? Do you know where your test levels are? How long have you been training? What's your diet like as far as calories and macros? And I mean true calories, not what you think you eat. And why would you shut down your HPTA and risk being on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life over 4 weeks and 5 lbs???