Shoulders on chest day?

[neiljones]

Should i train my shoulders on my chest and tricep day which is monday, or should i train them seperatly on a friday? If on the same day what sort or reps/sets should i ber doing for size? thanks neil.

 

[blackbeard]

how are you doing it now? is it working?
i would say to hit them on chest/tri day..they shoudl get pretty fried from pressing..so you wont need to do much more pressing if at all..i would hit some side laterals start with 3x10..you can do 1 or 2 heavy sets of barbell or dbell presses but it may be overkill for you ..try it and see how it goes..

BB front press wmups then 1or2 x10-15
side laterals 3x10

 

[Smallguy]

that how I'm doing it and I'm jsut doing upright rows for shoulders

 

[blackbeard]

that how I'm doing it and I'm jsut doing upright rows for shoulders

hows your grip with the uprights? make sure its wide otherwise your hitting the traps with a narrow grip..a shoulder width grip on uprights should hit the delts much better

 

[neiljones]

Currently i am doing

Monday
Chest
Bench Press 5x5
Flyes 2 8-10
Incline Press 2 8-10

Shoulders
Dumbell Press 5x5
Shrugs 2 8-10
Side Raises 2 8-10

Triceps
Extentions 5x5
Pushdowns 2 8-10


Wed

Back
Rows 5x5
Wide Grip Pull down 2 8-10
one arm rows 2 8-10

Biceps
Dumbell Curl 5x5
incline curl 2 8-10
Hammer 2 8 - 10


Fri

Legs
Leg Press 5x5
Leg extention 2 - 8-10
Leg Curl 2 8-10
Calf Raises 3 sets of 15

 

[Mudge]

I do 1-2 sets of side laterals and a quicky light rotator set on chest/triceps day, no mas.

 

[neiljones]

recommend any changes 2 my programme, bearing in mind, i have been training 2 yrs, would conider my self slim,

 

[pullinbig]

its impossible not to work shoulders/tris on chest day. cant be done. so if you got a seperate shoulder day then you hitting them 2x/w, at least, depending on how the rest of the split is set up.

 

[gottabadrash]

im to tired after chest to move... let alone to military press but a couple of side lats are no prob... haha i got the shits after squatting the other day... finally im lifting hard...

 

[bula]

After 15 years of lifting and doing my chest and shoulders on different days, I started doing chest and shoulders on the same day about a year ago. It has been one of the best changes i've made to my workouts.

My chest and shoulders has always been my strength. But lately I have been really concentrating on only doing one chest "press" related exercise (incline presses) to focus on developing the Pec Minor groups. See Franco Columbo's upper pecs and his separation - probably the best chest ever imo. That is key to those side poses and flaring those pecs way out. Anyway, both shoulders and chest press movements utilize similar secondary muscles so much, it is really silly to not work them together unless your shoulder workouts are solely isolateral lifts (like rear and side raises) and no press movements at all - which usually is not the case. Plus once you've trained presses for chest, these secondary muscles are so exhausted, you really key in on delts solely when pressing after chest. Talk about burn and pump .. wow.

Also, I cycle my chest/shoulder workout. Week 1 starts chest. Week 2 starts shoulder.

Combining the 2 muscle groups and the added rest of only training these and the secondaries once a week, I am pushing more weight than I ever have.

GL. Bula

 

[Smallguy]

hows your grip with the uprights? make sure its wide otherwise your hitting the traps with a narrow grip..a shoulder width grip on uprights should hit the delts much better

I keep my hands 3 -5 inches apart is that wide enough??

 

[blackbeard]

I keep my hands 3 -5 inches apart is that wide enough??

hard to say since i dont know your build.. a shoulder width grip will hit the delts more than the traps..since your trying to build the delt that would be a better grip to use

 

[Bimmer]

as BB said, do some presses if youv still got it in you and finish off with lateral raises. Also I would try alternating every few workouts triceps first or shoulders first.

 

[Smallguy]

hard to say since i dont know your build.. a shoulder width grip will hit the delts more than the traps..since your trying to build the delt that would be a better grip to use

thanks