Sings u are suffering from hypogonadism ??

[Mr P]

So are u suffering from hypogonadism ?

You migth be if your experiencing symtoms like, low libido, erectile dysfunction, decreased muscle mass and strength, increased body fat, decreased bone mineral density and osteoporosis, mild anemia, breast discomfort and gynecomastia, hot flushes, sleep disturbance, body hair and skin alterations, decreased vitality, and decreased intellectual capacity (poor concentration, depression, fatigue, etc.

But, of course many of the above symptoms could be similar to or are physiologically associated with the aging process... So you realise your getting older & assume your symptoms are nothing more than "your just getting old"... and yes, some symptoms associated with low serum testosterone is that they may be found in other conditions, which become increasingly common as men age.
Hypogonadism (primary or secondary) can occur at all ages, including in elderly men.

Testosterone replacement therapy aims at restoring hormone levels in the normal range of young adults and should, in theory approximate the natural, the ultimate goals are to maintain or regain the highest quality of life, to reduce disability, to compress major illnesses into a narrow age range.

Being on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) benefits go beyond the effects on mood, energy levels and sense of well-being, sexual function, lean body mass and muscle strength, in short it really adds years to your life..


For me testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) has done this & I'm glad I made this choice.

 

[newtohrt]

I have almost all of those sysmtoms

So are u suffering from hypogonadism ?

You migth be if your experiencing symtoms like, low libido, erectile dysfunction, decreased muscle mass and strength, increased body fat, decreased bone mineral density and osteoporosis, mild anemia, breast discomfort and gynecomastia, hot flushes, sleep disturbance, body hair and skin alterations, decreased vitality, and decreased intellectual capacity (poor concentration, depression, fatigue, etc.

But, of course many of the above symptoms could be similar to or are physiologically associated with the aging process... So you realise your getting older & assume your symptoms are nothing more than "your just getting old"... and yes, some symptoms associated with low serum testosterone is that they may be found in other conditions, which become increasingly common as men age.
Hypogonadism (primary or secondary) can occur at all ages, including in elderly men.

Testosterone replacement therapy aims at restoring hormone levels in the normal range of young adults and should, in theory approximate the natural, the ultimate goals are to maintain or regain the highest quality of life, to reduce disability, to compress major illnesses into a narrow age range.

Being on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) benefits go beyond the effects on mood, energy levels and sense of well-being, sexual function, lean body mass and muscle strength, in short it really adds years to your life..


For me testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) has done this & I'm glad I made this choice.

I have been on HRT for over a year now...and, sadly, I still have all of those symptoms. My SHBG is low normal and that seems to just about make me 'Immune' to any benefits of HRT.

 

[NateDEEzy]

Have you ever considered looking into food allergies as the culprit ?

 

[newtohrt]

No food allergies

Have you ever considered looking into food allergies as the culprit ?

I did look into that, but I have talked to a doctor that used to give those tests and he says that nearly 100% of the people test positive for several food items on every test, which indicates there is something wrong with the tests. He doesn't do them anymore for that reason.

It just feels like I am pinning saline - I feel no better at all on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), and my already low libido is worse, even when my E2 is right on, according to the usual 'norms' for that.

 

[NateDEEzy]

Not to play devils advocate, but just cause ur doc said the tests seem faulty doesn't mean u don't actually have a food allergy.

Also, I didn't see it in this post, but what is ur current protocol and what different protocols have you tried?

And, have any of the protocols made u feel any improvements at any time?

Alos, have u checked your thyroid?

 

[KingCrane]

Great info P

 

[Mr P]

Not to play devils advocate, but just cause ur doc said the tests seem faulty doesn't mean u don't actually have a food allergy.

Also, I didn't see it in this post, but what is ur current protocol and what different protocols have you tried?

And, have any of the protocols made u feel any improvements at any time?

Alos, have u checked your thyroid?

I have been on HRT for over a year now...and, sadly, I still have all of those symptoms. My SHBG is low normal and that seems to just about make me 'Immune' to any benefits of HRT.

I agree, hypothyroidism may cause many of the symtoms you might be experiencing, like erectile desfuction, weight gain, fatigue, etc.. and like NateDEEzy said, food allergies can really mess u up, like your digestive system, etc.... If u haven't felt better after all this time on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) I suggest u get yourself checkecked with a doctor.. including your thyroid levels..

 

[Megatron28]

I did look into that, but I have talked to a doctor that used to give those tests and he says that nearly 100% of the people test positive for several food items on every test, which indicates there is something wrong with the tests. He doesn't do them anymore for that reason.

It just feels like I am pinning saline - I feel no better at all on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), and my already low libido is worse, even when my E2 is right on, according to the usual 'norms' for that.

Let's look at the obvious too. Maybe you are injecting saline or canola oil. Where are you getting your Test from? A legitimate pharmacy via a prescription? Or some internet site based in Hong Kong?

 

[newtohrt]

I have never felt good on TRT

Not to play devils advocate, but just cause ur doc said the tests seem faulty doesn't mean u don't actually have a food allergy.

Also, I didn't see it in this post, but what is ur current protocol and what different protocols have you tried?

And, have any of the protocols made u feel any improvements at any time?

Alos, have u checked your thyroid?

When I first started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) my doc at that time put me on 100mgs of Test Cyp E7D. Did that for 4 weeks, to no effect, went back for blood tests. My total T was at 600, E2 at 18. I felt nothing except my already shitty libido was worse than before. Doc had me increase to 150mg Test Cyp E7D, came back in 4 weeks for blood tests. Total T was 900, E2 was 28. I still felt nothing so the doc had my try Test cream from a compounding pharmacy. Did that for 4 weeks and felt nothing so I quit going to that doc. New doc, started on 100mg Test Cyp E3.5D, did that for 8 weeks, felt nothing, and had more blood tests. Total t was 1400 E2 was 34. After that I went up to 200mg Test Cyp E3.5D for 8 weeks to try and feel something - anything - even though I knew that was more of a cycle than TRT. It did nothing except make me bloat so I dropped back to 100mg E3.5D. It was suggested that this may be too high, so I dropped to 25mg E3.5D for 4 weeks, felt nothing. My thyroid tests fine, but I started taking just .25 thyroxin every day to see if that would do anything. I maybe lost a bit of fat, but felt nothing else. I get no acne, no oily skin, basically no conversion to DHT at all.
I also have been using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500 IU E3D throughout.

No libido, no gains in the gym. I am on a 3 day split routine where I hit each body part once a week and I can't recover from that even on Test and with eating lots of protein and vegetables. My lean body mass (according to a scale I have at home) shows my lean mass at 167 lbs. and I am careful to always eat at least 175 grams of protein every day, and still nothing. I upped that to 200 grams a day for a month and just added fat, no muscle.

I took a month off and felt no different than being on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), except I started to get a bit of libido back - not enough to be good by a long shot, but at least a bit. I thought to myself, maybe after a layoff testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) will work now so I started back up at 50mg of Test Cyp E3.5D and now a month later, I feel nothing once again. No libido at all - worse than when off, in fact, no muscle gain, no energy - basically none of the things that one starts testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for in the first place.

There has never been a time, even for a week when I felt awesome on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and I am going on 15 months now. I must be a dumbass, or I would have quit for good by now, but I keep hoping for a miracle to occur.

 

[NateDEEzy]

Very intriguing !

1st, what is/are your main concerns?? This is important

Have you ever tried any medication that has helped you feel better?

I have what's known as ADHD PI or SCT, but it's basically, to my current understanding, ADHD without the hyperactivity, but mostly plagued by anxiety.

Here's a video that I recently found that you might find interesting:

ADHD OCD Anxiety Diagnosis? Brain Function Beyond Labels - YouTube

What you might find interesting is the way he explains the relationship between serotonin and dopamine

Have you tried to look up any holisitic approaches to ED?

Another thing that I actually JUST found is something called, INDIUM- to be honest, I really haven't done any research on it but it seems interesting based on what I have seen, here's a website:

INDIUMEase, THE Silver Bullet, The Latest/Greatest Nutrient Discovered

Again, I haven't done really any research on it, so if it seems goofy... for all I know, it might be.

Also, what is your stress like?
When did you notice this started happening?
What is your height, weight, body fat %, and age?

I'd honestly look for holistic approaches, start exercising as much as possible, not masturbating (I don't know if you do or not), and start eating a VERY clean diet (I'm talking like paleo with organic foods), maybe even try juicing (like with vegetables not steroids lol) and try this for at least 2 months.
And if you are stressed, maybe look into a therapist- many times you have a lot more trapped stress and things that weigh you down (past events) that you'd NEVER even realize, that have effects that you'd never guess on your body. Maybe a therapist is the best idea?
I personally believe that we have the ability to change our body chemistry and state much much more than we could ever imagine, it's just we don't let ourselves (sounds crazy, but it's true). Think about this. Let's say your GF or wife that you love leaves you. You are stressed and your habits change, suddenly you don't wanna go out with friends, you don't eat as much, you withdraw from your normal life. You become very drained of energy, you don't work out any more, your house becomes messy cuz you don't even have the energy to clean it, you lose weight cuz you don't eat since you're so drained of energy. Your pretty much a mess. Then, suddenly a week later, your GF calls you and says she made a mistake and realizes she loves you and wants to be with you forever and she's coming over. You get off the phone and you can't believe how much energy you have, you clean the house that's a mess faster than you knew possible and hop in the shower, your energy is through the roof. WHAT CHANGED? Nothing! Except the thoughts you were having. Your thoughts control your biology more than you could ever imagine, and if your thoughts have got you down for a long time, this can add up.

SO, I'd say really analyze your life and determine if you have any negative thought patterns. If so, I'd look in to the book called: The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success by Deepak Chopra or, A new life: Awaken to your life's purpose by Eckhart Tolle. Or google any books that have to do with overcoming ED!
Then look in to a psychologist/psychiatrist
exercise/diet.

 

[newtohrt]

I am getting my Test from the board sponsor.

 

[halfwit]

Great post Mr. P!

Newtohrt: I don't normally feel much compassion for my fellow man over the internet, but my heart really does go out to you (no homo). I don't know how you feel about the ethics of raising your test to supraphysiological levels, but I have read studies (I'll try to find them later) that indicate a temporary cycle can possibly "shock" your system back into utilizing the hormones properly. I'm not a doctor, but I do enjoy bumping up my test a couple times a year as it not only feels AMAZING, but I seem to maintain a lot of the benefits when I resume my normal dose. Nate has a couple interesting options as well that might bear some looking into.

In hindsight, I can honestly say that being hypogonadal with REALLY low levels of testosterone is akin to a living hell. Wanting to sleep all day, not being able to please your partner as much as you want to and really feeling ill is no way to be. I hope you can get this figured out before you give up and accept your current situation.

My .02c