this is my first cycle, currently in my 3rd week. been doing 200mg 2xs per week. so first, I want to up it to 250mg 2xs per week (500mg weekly) is it ok to just start up-ing the dose of test c 3 weeks into the cycle? second, I was going to run it originally for 10-12 weeks, but wanting to go to 15 weeks.. this ok?? all my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and PCT is all good. (arimidex 0.25mg EOD & nolva only for PCT for a month. thanks guys!
some help with test c cycle..
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kaname
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You're good to up the dose, and yes you can extend the cycle. Jagbc is correct about the clomid. True some only run Nolva for PCT, but Clomid and Nolva actually perform different task. Read up on each, and in the end as I said yes some only run Nolva, but it would be wise to obtain some Clomid. In terms of finding it, you should be able to obtain it from this boards site sponsor or at least a version of it. I haven't been to their site in a while now but should be there under Serms.
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15 weeks is ideal. Upping the dose to 500/week is just fine. Lay off the arimidex unless you need it. No point in putting unnecessary drugs into your body if it's not necessary. For pct id recommend toremifene. Nolva and clomid are old school.
kaname
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There are plenty of reasons to run an A.I. other than worrying about gyno. And a few of those reasons everyone falls victim to, some it doesn't bother but it happens none the less. I will leave it for him to decide. But unless you're going to outline those reasons for him then don't give him a blanket statement saying you don't need it.
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tell me why he needs to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from the very beginning of the cycle.
kaname
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*sigh* I'll leave it to you to read. Just for the record I could have fired back the same question in reverse, that's not a response for your original statement. And saying it can limit gains isn't a reason.
And yes we've debated this question a million times.
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so you put the onus on me to prove why he does not need to put an uncessary drug into his body? isnt it more logical to explain why he does? I've been in the game long enough to know, so you dont need to tell me to read up on anything. You're telling him to start an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with his first pin, i think it's only fair you explain to all of us why that is necessary.
kaname
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Ok I'll teach class today. YOU are the one who mentioned anything about an A.I.. You started it by saying DON'T run one from the start as you don't NEED it. I was not the one to start anything off by saying he needed it from the start. I'm fully aware that some don't use it. I responded to YOUR comment by saying if you're going to tell someone they don't need it, then you need to list the possible concerns and reasons why others like to run it from the start, and not just say "you don't need it." That way he is fully informed.
For example: Many complain about lost gains during post cycle therapy (pct). One factor (besides many others) is the extra water weight you gain by not running an A.I. during cycle. Some like to have a better picture of their gains going into post cycle therapy (pct). Higher chances for higher BP is a concern for some, as well, as with higher estro comes higher BP. Depending on the person yes that is VERY important. The list goes on.
Do I also need to copy paste your text where you started it? Or can you see why the burden of proof is on you. And lastly, I could care less how long you say you've been in the "game." Dude I don't know you from the next cat on here. You're nothing but an avatar to me man. Guess that ends the days lesson for you.
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Losing water weight after you come off is not losing gains. Water isnt gains. That argument is retarded.
High blood pressure and high estro is cause for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Which is exactly why I told him to run it when symptoms appear/its necessary. When your blood pressure goes up or you get signs of high estro, you introduce the Aromatase inhibitor (AI).
Your argument isnt valid.
That's like saying you walk into the doctor and get placed on prozac. Possible side effects of prozac...nauseau, insomnia, constipation, etc. Do you also immedietely start medication for all of those side effects? Of course not. If those side effects appear, you treat them.
You are telling him to immeditely start an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) because you assume his estrogen and blood pressure are going to be sky high. It's a fact that not everyone gets high estrogen and high blood pressure. So if he starts an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) he can drive his estrogen so low that it causes issues.
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yea you're right, ive been doing it all wrong. show us a pic of your physique so we can see what it looks like when you do things the right way. ill wait....
kaname
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Some are concerned about the lost, and yes they THOUGHT the water weight was part of their gains, as they didn't know how much was from water weight or muscle. Plenty of threads here detailing that fact, and their complaints. I know it's hard to say you're wrong, but dude you're sounding like retard. I never said he needs to run an A.I. from the start. I said if you're going to tell someone not to, then you need to fully inform them.
You're prozac comparison misses the mark to say the least. The number of people taking that sort of medication compared to the number of people who actual get those sides from it are low. Running a cycle is a lot different because it's not a question of "if" the conversion happens.
Fact remains is if you're going to tell someone not to do something then you need to inform them of the possible consequences. By the way he might not realize that high bp is a concern to watch for. Waiting until he is feeling the effects of high bp is beyond stupid. As well as waiting to see if he has gyno. This may come as a shock, but not everyone checks the bp on a regular basis while on cycle, nor do they have bloods done. If you're going to give advice here that can effect those things, then you need to inform them. The consequences of running an A.I., are no where near those of not running one. Which means you need to INFORM him of them.
Laslty, him crashing his Estro at .25 mg EOD (adex), really? lol ok dude.
edit: Just to be more clearer for you. Some people like limiting the increase in water weight as they have a better picture of where they are at with their gains. It may not be YOUR concern but it is a concern for some. Last I checked, not everybody thinks like you.
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kaname
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The name of this game (here) is helping people and informing them. Sometimes with a heavy dose of sarcasm or harsh comments. Calling bigdaddyC out with a pic post...really? I'm far more impressed by some of our other members here. Pics does not equal knowledge.
The onus is on you since you're the one who made the claim to lay off the Arimidex so as to "not put unnecessary drugs into the body". Plus if that's you're argument why go on cycle to begin with since exogenous testosterone use is an "unnecessary drug being put in the body". If you've been in the game as long as you claim YOU'D KNOW WHY. Obviously you haven't been in long enough or you've not done as much research as you thought you did.
The risk of crashing estrogen levels at .25mg of Adex EOD is too minimal to even begin worrying about. Another factor to watch out for is that exogenous test use obviously raises serum test levels and free test. When these are raised supraphysiologically your body will attempt to maintain homeostasis by converting or aromatizing the test to estrogen. You are therefore wasting part of your cycle by allowing this to happen and not running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from the get. Kaname mentioned another factor and yes water is a gain since lean body mass BY DEFINITION includes water.
Lastly trying to compare physiques to prove you are knowledgeable is the most ridiculous argument you can have. That's akin to the way 5 year old argue. Grow the fuck up and stop trying to use "I'm bigger than you" as an argument.
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