Well, several months back I did a cycle about 15 weeks long. Started with 25mg of Dbol 2x a day for 8 weeks, 200mg Test C a week "permanent prescription", 400mg Deca a week for 15 weeks, .25 mg Adex EoD until it was gone. I was able to attain some decent results but nothing like I was hoping for and certainly not an amazing amount of growth. So I was wondering what you guys think if for my next cycle I go with 200 - 250mg of Test C twice a week for 10 weeks, 200mg of Tren E twice a week for 10 weeks, then should I go with Dbol or Winn for the first 4-5 weeks? Also should I stay with Adex or should I run Proviron this time? Anything else? Like Caber etc? Keep in mind I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and such isn't needed in my case as I will be taking Test the rest of my life, I will just blast and cruise on and off cycle. I also plan to use some liver support products, whichever ones are best, I have it narrowed down to a list of about 4-5 products. I think I am also gonna shoot 3J an e-mail and see about getting onto one of his programs, either the basic one or the Carb Cycling so I can bulk up as much as possible, whichever program he thinks would be best for my particular screwed up, super high metabolism can't gain weight to save my life body lol. Anyway, you guys have any input on the above mentioned cycle? What to add, subtract, dbol or Winn? etc. etc. Thanks for the input in advance I appreciate it.
Starting a new cycle and looking for thoughts/input.
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3J
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getting with one of my programs would be a great idea on cycle.. your last cycle was g2g.. im fairly sure your diet was the issue...
as for running tren, i disagree.. its only your second cycle.. dont jump into something like that!
and remember, im running 20% off till monday for my labor day sale.. email me at 3jdiet@gmail.com if you wanna take advantage of it
as for running tren, i disagree.. its only your second cycle.. dont jump into something like that!
and remember, im running 20% off till monday for my labor day sale.. email me at 3jdiet@gmail.com if you wanna take advantage of it
I'm looking to bulk up with solid, clean and well defined mass. Increase my strength, muscle endurance, cardio and flexibility. Right now I am 6'1 and about 205-208lbs and this is the most I have ever weighed. I am very lean everywhere except my midsection which is a little flabby thanks to water retention from the Test I have to take since I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). When I stop taking Test for a couple weeks I drop about 20lbs of water weight in 10 days or so and then I stabilize at around 180lbs as long as I keep up with my protein shakes and stuff. Otherwise I drop down to about 160-170lbs over the course of about 2 weeks. So I need to find a way to keep from retaining water weight and since it has stretched out the skin in my belly area I need to bulk up my abs enough to make the skin tighten up and show muscle definition. I have my dad's metabolism, he is 65 and has been 5'8 155lbs his entire life no matter what we eat or how little physical activity we do our bodes just don't store fat it seems. Without this water weight I would still be skinny as a rail despite protein shakes, snacking on fruits and granola type bars. I even eat just plain junk food all the time, candy bars, ice cream, chips, cookies pretty much whatever I want that is within reach. So I need to dump the water, bulk up solid, clean and defined muscle all over my body, increase my strength, endurance and flexibility. I would also like to achieve these goals without having to sell the kids to pay for it all lol. I would really appreciate any and all advice you guys can offer and I think I will definitely be enrolling in your basic program to start with 3J, I get paid on the 3rd so I will submit my info to you then.
Mtdavis1984
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I'm new to this whole scene.. I'm a 29 yr old male. I'm 5'5 225 so obviously over weight by a long shot. I have heard taking Winn is good start off but I'm not sure how it all works and what to do.. If anybody is willing to help please let me know! Thanks
Mad- scientist
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You need to read the stickies at the top of the page it will answer your questions.
Mad- scientist
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If I was trying to put on size and wanted a effective cycle that wasn't going to break the wallet I would probably do something like this.
week 1 - 12 testosterone enenthate 500mgs a week
week 1- 12 NPP at 400mgs a week or Deca at 400mgs a week
week 1-4 D-bol at 50mgs a day or Tbol at 50mgs to 75mgs a day
That is going to be a pretty effective basic steroid stack for gaining muscle. And your going to want to run something like caber or prami with it and a AI. Also HCG might be something you want to use just for the simple fact that it will make it so If you want to have kids in the future you have a better chance. Also HCG will help to keep your testicles
a normal size. I have heard from a few different TRT patients that they use the HCG just to keep their testicles normal and that they missed them being normal size when they were not taking the HCG. This is all just some stuff to think about.
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