Staying away from sides with anavar/test e?

[ziggz]

Ok--been doing a lot of reading on the subject and I need some guidance.

Hairloss and acne are a concern for me. AS a kid, i got really bad acne and was able to only get rid of it with Accutane.
So that being said and now that I am 22, I decided on 40mg Anavar ed for 8 weeks stacked with something. At first I thought to use prop but because of the many frequent shots, i'm leaning over towards using test e.

My plan at the moment is: weeks 1-12 test e and weeks 6-15 Anavar (var) as I'm being told that it is best to let Anavar (var) end 2 weeks after test.

I know that most people recommend doing 500mg of test e a week, but if i do 375mg, will that lessen the chance of side effects or not really? Also some people say to use test e e3d.. others say e3.5/e4d--which is it?

Also, i've read that 10mg nolva ed is strongly advised by some while others swear it will hinder gains--how should i decide what to do? Do i use an aromatase inhibitor instead?

Some more questions: do i need Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for post cycle therapy (pct) or just nolva? should i get anything to kick start the cycle?

To combat any potential sides, i've already bought nizoral shampoo 2% and spiro 2%. Also i'm going to order b5 in bulk and take 5g ed.

For liver protection (i'm not sure if i need it for var) but i'm considering nac and r-ala

Am I on the right track here? Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks.

 

[RJ]

Ok--been doing a lot of reading on the subject and I need some guidance.

Hairloss and acne are a concern for me. AS a kid, i got really bad acne and was able to only get rid of it with Accutane.
So that being said and now that I am 22, I decided on 40mg Anavar ed for 8 weeks stacked with something. At first I thought to use prop but because of the many frequent shots, i'm leaning over towards using test e.

My plan at the moment is: weeks 1-12 test e and weeks 6-15 Anavar (var) as I'm being told that it is best to let Anavar (var) end 2 weeks after test.

I know that most people recommend doing 500mg of test e a week, but if i do 375mg, will that lessen the chance of side effects or not really? Also some people say to use test e e3d.. others say e3.5/e4d--which is it?

Also, i've read that 10mg nolva ed is strongly advised by some while others swear it will hinder gains--how should i decide what to do? Do i use an aromatase inhibitor instead?

Some more questions: do i need Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for post cycle therapy (pct) or just nolva? should i get anything to kick start the cycle?

To combat any potential sides, i've already bought nizoral shampoo 2% and spiro 2%. Also i'm going to order b5 in bulk and take 5g ed.

For liver protection (i'm not sure if i need it for var) but i'm considering nac and r-ala

Am I on the right track here? Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks.

First of all, welsome to the board.

I don't think 375mg compared to 500mg will lessen your chances of sides too much. But if you are prone to sides, you'll get them. So the best advice I can give is to be prepared to combat them before you get started.

I have never done Var, but I live on test (not literally), and I can say that 500mg/week is plenty for a first cycle. Of course, you caqn do more or less, but this is a nice starting point.

As for the Nolva, I would have it by your side, but only start using it if you need it (my opinion). As for the hair loss and the liver protection, I think you are on the right track with the Finasteride and the nac and r-ala. You can also take Liv-52 if you like.

Good luck and keep us informed of what you do.

 

[RJ]

Sorry, didn't answer the other Q's.

HCg is good to have regardless. I have used it with a cycle and not used it. If you have shrinkage of the nuts, its a little harder to get back to nprmal ranges as quick as it would be if you did have it. What I am doing this time is using it at 500iu every week with my cycle. Its so cheap so why not keeep the boys in tact all the way through.

And as far as kickstart, you can use Dbol for the first four weeks. You don't have to, but it is a nice start. If you do, you may want to have some Adex around to keep the bloat down. .25mg/ED should e fine, that shit is pretty strong.

 

[Deadlift]

Sounds like you've done some reading. Your plan looks alright, although I doubt sides would be any different at 500mg/week vs 375mg. Minimal at best. I'd just run the 500. I inject enanthate on mondays and thursdays, the split doesn't have to be perfect, just usually a good idea to do your shots about twice the frequency of the half life of the drug. This will also lessen sides. Keep your skin clean and you should be good. If your using any topical acne treatments like peroxide etc. use aloe right after. This won't let your skin dry but keep it clean. If you don't use the aloe your skin will just produce oil, not what you want. Your liver should be good, but protectants sure as shit don't hurt. The nolva won't hinder gains, maybe the difference between a pound. I don't use them unless I need them though, as long as you have them on hand ready tp go you should be fine without taking them. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be used during cycle NEVER after, it will actually help shut you down. For the duration of your cycle try 2 shots a week of 250 or 500 IU, you'll have to find the right dose for you. For post cycle therapy (pct) nolva is fine on it's own.

 

[ziggz]

So sides would remain the same at 375 as it would at 500? I was thinking that the sides would intensify as you increased the dosages, but i guess 375 and 500 is not big enough of a difference. So what would I get out of increasing it to 500? Add a few more pounds?

 

[RJ]

You have to stop thinking that a 125mg/week dosage will add a significant amount of pounds. What you need to think about is EATING is what makes you gain pounds. And training, and rest. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) isn't magic and you need to understand that first before you get rolling. You have done your homework, but remember not to count on the drugs!! They're just there to give you that edge.

 

[Slayer]

I am just finishing a similar cycle. 500mg sust ew with 50mg anavar ed. Started the Anavar (var) three weeks into the test cycle and will run it three weeks after my last test shot.

I took my last shot about 2 1/2 weeks ago and am still gaining strength. I think you will be pleased with your cycle too.

 

[ziggz]

I got some more questions if you guys don't mind answering:

When I'm on cycle... should aim for a lot more than 1g protien per 1lb body weight? Also, how clean of a diet should it be? I would say most of my carbs already come from whole grains and my protiens from just plain old dry chicken and eggs.. some beef. Should I maintain all that? Should I eat a lot more carbs and does it matter if they're white or brown on cycle?

From reading many other threads.. it seems like everyone has a different philoshpy and view on nutrition.. not sure which to follow.

Also, since i'm ending the Anavar (var) 2 weeks after I end test e (weeks 1-12 is test e and 6-14 var)

Should I take nolva for an extended period of time than I would ordinarily do after ending the test e cycle since I won't be finished with Anavar (var) until two weeks later, or should I just run the nolva normally?

Also, a lot of people told me to take 10mg nolva ed on cycle.. but then i'm reading contradicting threads that say to not take it until signs of gyno appear or until post cycle therapy (pct) as it will hinder gains and that use of an aromatase inhibator is strongly recommended intead?

What is more commonly suggested if anyone knows?

Thanks again.

 

[RJ]

I got some more questions if you guys don't mind answering:

When I'm on cycle... should aim for a lot more than 1g protien per 1lb body weight? Also, how clean of a diet should it be? I would say most of my carbs already come from whole grains and my protiens from just plain old dry chicken and eggs.. some beef. Should I maintain all that? Should I eat a lot more carbs and does it matter if they're white or brown on cycle?

From reading many other threads.. it seems like everyone has a different philoshpy and view on nutrition.. not sure which to follow.

Also, since i'm ending the Anavar (var) 2 weeks after I end test e (weeks 1-12 is test e and 6-14 var)

Should I take nolva for an extended period of time than I would ordinarily do after ending the test e cycle since I won't be finished with Anavar (var) until two weeks later, or should I just run the nolva normally?

Also, a lot of people told me to take 10mg nolva ed on cycle.. but then i'm reading contradicting threads that say to not take it until signs of gyno appear or until post cycle therapy (pct) as it will hinder gains and that use of an aromatase inhibator is strongly recommended intead?

What is more commonly suggested if anyone knows?

Thanks again.

I think your last post answers alot of your own questions (bear with me).

Funny thing about all this is that you have to try several different options before you find out what works for you. But lets see if I can help out a little.

In reference to diet, I believe you should get closer to 2g per lb of bodyweight. Protein is so cheap so why not take in more. No need to get excessive, but 1g per lb is more of a maintenance thing for BBers.

Also, try to get the majority of your protein from real food sources. Don't try and load up on a ton of shakes all day cause it won't get you the results we all seek. Eggs, tuna, steak, chix, rice (white or brown), whole foods, veggies, and don't forget your supps. and vitamins. And I think an easy way to gauge carbs/cals is by watching your BF%. Either lower your carbs/cals a bit, or do some cardio a few days a week.

As far as the Nolva goes, you shouldn't start Nolva for PCt until you are done with everything. Depending on what you finish last, that will determine when you start. For you, two weeks after the last Test E shot is a good time to quit the Anavar (var) so you can start the Nolva the day after you finish the Anavar (var).

In regards to preventative measures during a cycle with Nolva, and hindering gains, just be ready to hear many opinions on that. I just keep it on hand in case I need it, others take it all the way through, but most of them KNOW they are prone to gyno. Another thing you'll just have to figure out.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

 

[map200uk]

ziggz, as ive told u many times before, your gonna be fine

ive gone through everything u asked on here before hehe

 

[ziggz]

alright i guess i'm all set then... I will just FREAK OUT if i lose my hair on this cycle.. *crosses fingers*

thanks for the help guys