Suggestions ? 1st timer

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ArnoldFreak1899

ArnoldFreak1899
21 yrs old
200 lbs
10% BF
been lifting for 3 ys now would like to try my 1st cyle.

At first I was thinking 300mg Deca/300mg Test E/ @ 10 weeks as well as Dbol 40 Mg for 1st 6 weeks.


Now after much research thinking about just a test E 300mg 10 wk & Dbol 40 mg for 1st 6 weeks.


Which one would you guys suggest?
 
pump the test up to 500mg a week, split into two different injections dbol @ 40mg for the first 4wk will be sufficient. Do u have a post cycle therapy (pct)? Get some nolvadex incase you have gyno issues on cycle and someone else will chime in with a better post cycle therapy (pct) protocol than I can give.
 
id go 500mg test e split 2wice a week and keep aromasin on hand or run it during cycle.. clomid/nolva pct.. or hcg/nolva if you want to bounce back quicker.. if you go with the deca test cycle which i wouldnt.. run more test than deca.. maybe 500mg test and 300mg deca.. but imo run test alone at 400 or 500mg p/w split mon 250mg and friday 250mg.. and it wont be long b4 one of the moderators chimes in on you being to young.. but i believe your going to do it nomatter what they tell you so you might as well do it right,..
 
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Yeah ive been hearing alot about taking just the test e for a 1st cycle... Mainly wanted to use deca to tryn hold a more quality gain.

But the test e 500 mg @ twice a week would be sufficient. Along with Dbol @ 40 mg for the 1st 4-6 wks.

As for PCT I have a load of Nolv ..and was thinking 40/40/20/20 starting 2 weeks after the last injection.

How does this sound? Any other PCT i should add with the Nolv?
 
test @ 250 twice a week....equaling 500 a week total.

i like my dbol at 50 bro-if your gonna run it....mine as well get the most out of it.
 
hahaha my bad yes i meant 250mg @ twice a week equaling 500 a week!

1000 would be a bit much for my first try id say

what are your thoughts on a good PCT

I feel confident with the nolv @ 40/40/20/20 & am i gunna want to run clomid along side the nolv?

also dont want my face blowing up
any thoughts?
 
pick one or the other-nolva or clomid-i think both is overkill-everyone keeps saying there is new info that its better to run both-but i havent seen shit that makes me believe that

everyone is always worried about the bloat-a lil bloat is good
 
And yes you are to young, but I am tired of beating that horse, ya all will learn when you cant have kids, and your dick is limp and you stunt your growth, dont trip though I am sure it is worth it... ??
 
the old nolva/clomid fucking battle.. you could read 1000 articles and still not get a straight answer on which is better.. i prefer nolvadex but im just a dumb italian from jersey.. as far as the bloat goes get some adex or exemastane..
 
young

ya know after hearing about being too young from you guys its really made me think about waiting another year or two.....My question is why though, with a very decent foundation i just think it will give me a huge boost & didnt really think my age was a big deal. Its not like im gunna quit lifting im very dedicated...

I mean look at all the bodybuilders who were roiding alot younger than me (Arnie along with tons others) he turned out pretty decent i think..

Ive tried researching the topic and seem to find the same bull about suicide risks and roid rage BS
 
ArnoldFreak1899 said:
ya know after hearing about being too young from you guys its really made me think about waiting another year or two.....My question is why though, with a very decent foundation i just think it will give me a huge boost & didnt really think my age was a big deal. Its not like im gunna quit lifting im very dedicated...

I mean look at all the bodybuilders who were roiding alot younger than me (Arnie along with tons others) he turned out pretty decent i think..

Ive tried researching the topic and seem to find the same bull about suicide risks and roid rage BS
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some people will give a retarded psychological maturity comment. That isn't true for many individuals at your age.

However, what is true is that your muscles are not yet mature. In addition, your growth plates are not necessarily closed, and using an aromatizing steroid like testosterone will very likely close these plates, preventing possible future growth.
 
i took my first plunge at the age of 21. i didnt see where it stunted my growth but i was already 6'4 and 270 i had not grew anymore since high school so i think i had all the height that i was going to get. Also you can go to the dr and he can tell you if your growth plates are still open and about how much more you will grow.
 
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taledog said:
i took my first plunge at the age of 21. i didnt see where it stunted my growth but i was already 6'4 and 270 i had not grew anymore since high school so i think i had all the height that i was going to get. Also you can go to the dr and he can tell you if your growth plates are still open and about how much more you will grow.
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yes! OP, if you have your growth plates checked and you run a proper cycle, there is low chance to permanently deleteriously disrupt your endocrine system.
 
Yeah ive stayed the same height since i got my license i believe....the only growth i think i will be gaining in the future is size. But yeah i actually am seeing an orth doc tomm so i will see what he has to say about the growth plates. Thanks guys
 
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