Sust 250, Deca, Anadrol, and HGH

[mrmatthewbae]

Hello. I am 23, weight at 220. Body fat probably around 15-16%.

I started Sustanon 250 back in September 2014 at 250mg every week. For a brief span I increased dose to 750 per week to "Blast".. then went back down to 250mg per week and cruised on that. I have decided never to come off of testosterone completely because I have not suffered any of the side effects that steroids are said to incur. In fact everything has been benefits. My strength increased dramatically. And I have NEVER gotten acne, hair loss, mental or personality changes. I did blood tests about 2 months ago and everything is perfect.

Anyway I am posting this thread because 2 weeks ago I started taking 50MG Anadrol every day and then after a couple days combined it with 300MG Deca per week. I also increased the Sustanon to 500MG. So now my "Blast" is Sustanon 500mg per week, Deca 300mg per week, and anadrol everyday. I will do this for about a month and a half then go back to only Sustanon. My weight has gone from 205-210 to now 220. Sure some of this is water weight however my stats in the gym have increased also.

My question now is with regards to HGH. I am considering taking HGH at 2 IU's per day.. 5 days on, 2 days off. First I would like my Endocrinologist to do an HGH test because I am interested in what my current levels are at in that regard. I would stay on HGH for life also... at 2 IU's per day. I am curious what you all think about these combinations. Thanks

 

[Russel17401]

So I don't know as much as most on here but my understanding is that deca should be done for at least a 12 week cycle if you really want to see gains from it and you have not mentioned an AI or anything of that sort and obviously you don't care that your balls are gone due to no hcg. So you have been on test ever sense your first pin almost a year ago? Any way you can post up your blood work instead of just saying everything looks good?

And sorry I don't know much about hgh besides its expensive and hard to find good quality.

 

[China_Wall]

Hello. I am 23, weight at 220. Body fat probably around 15-16%.

I started Sustanon 250 back in September 2014 at 250mg every week. For a brief span I increased dose to 750 per week to "Blast".. then went back down to 250mg per week and cruised on that. I have decided never to come off of testosterone completely because I have not suffered any of the side effects that steroids are said to incur. In fact everything has been benefits. My strength increased dramatically. And I have NEVER gotten acne, hair loss, mental or personality changes. I did blood tests about 2 months ago and everything is perfect.

Anyway I am posting this thread because 2 weeks ago I started taking 50MG Anadrol every day and then after a couple days combined it with 300MG Deca per week. I also increased the Sustanon to 500MG. So now my "Blast" is Sustanon 500mg per week, Deca 300mg per week, and anadrol everyday. I will do this for about a month and a half then go back to only Sustanon. My weight has gone from 205-210 to now 220. Sure some of this is water weight however my stats in the gym have increased also.

My question now is with regards to HGH. I am considering taking HGH at 2 IU's per day.. 5 days on, 2 days off. First I would like my Endocrinologist to do an HGH test because I am interested in what my current levels are at in that regard. I would stay on HGH for life also... at 2 IU's per day. I am curious what you all think about these combinations. Thanks

2iu HGH 5-on,2-off is a useless dosage, even if you were a 50 year old female (for bodybuilding purposes that is)

the web-myth 5-on,2-off is absolute BS, and is nothing more than a guy making up shit to convince himself saving money is going to be effective

at your age you'll need 8iu or more everyday, not 5-on 2-off to be anywhere near effective and that's only if you are running it for years, not months, and along with gear

 

[mrmatthewbae]

Its my understanding that an AI, or Aromatase Inhibitor is to prevent Test from converting to Estrogen. Yea I just don't believe it is necessary. I can't say to a certainty that the compounds Im injecting are not converting to estrogen... though I can say the gains and muscle building has been so good I just never saw a need.

My balls are not gone... they haven't disappeared or shrunk at all. They just stopped producing sperm which I don't care about. I do not plan on having kids in the future.

I will go do some blood work this week and post results

 

[mrmatthewbae]

Absolutely. The 2 IU per day would be a life long thing to ensure that I am receiving the small benefits for life. However when I "blast" I may likely be obliged to increase to 8-10 IU's per day with other stacked compounds.

 

[mrmatthewbae]

So I don't know as much as most on here but my understanding is that deca should be done for at least a 12 week cycle if you really want to see gains from it and you have not mentioned an AI or anything of that sort and obviously you don't care that your balls are gone due to no hcg. So you have been on test ever sense your first pin almost a year ago? Any way you can post up your blood work instead of just saying everything looks good?

And sorry I don't know much about hgh besides its expensive and hard to find good quality.

Its my understanding that an AI, or Aromatase Inhibitor is to prevent Test from converting to Estrogen. Yea I just don't believe it is necessary. I can't say to a certainty that the compounds Im injecting are not converting to estrogen... though I can say the gains and muscle building has been so good I just never saw a need.

My balls are not gone... they haven't disappeared or shrunk at all. They just stopped producing sperm which I don't care about. I do not plan on having kids in the future.

I will go do some blood work this week and post results

 

[China_Wall]

Its my understanding that an AI, or Aromatase Inhibitor is to prevent Test from converting to Estrogen. Yea I just don't believe it is necessary. I can't say to a certainty that the compounds Im injecting are not converting to estrogen... though I can say the gains and muscle building has been so good I just never saw a need.

My balls are not gone... they haven't disappeared or shrunk at all. They just stopped producing sperm which I don't care about. I do not plan on having kids in the future.

I will go do some blood work this week and post results

if this is what you say about an ai... "Yea I just don't believe it is necessary"... then you are a "class A, newbie" and most likely bordering on idiot status.

 

[Megatron28]

Its my understanding that an AI, or Aromatase Inhibitor is to prevent Test from converting to Estrogen. Yea I just don't believe it is necessary. I can't say to a certainty that the compounds Im injecting are not converting to estrogen... though I can say the gains and muscle building has been so good I just never saw a need.

My balls are not gone... they haven't disappeared or shrunk at all. They just stopped producing sperm which I don't care about. I do not plan on having kids in the future.

I will go do some blood work this week and post results

You said you had blood work. Where did you estradiol come in at? And have you checked your estradiol when blasting?

How can you say that managing estrogen is not necessary? Are you familiar with what high or low estrogen levels do to a man?

By the way, you are way too young to be doing AAS!!! Let alone going on it for life!!!

 

[mrmatthewbae]

if this is what you say about an ai... "Yea I just don't believe it is necessary"... then you are a "class A, newbie" and most likely bordering on idiot status.

Hi @China_Wall I said I don't believe the AI is necessary because my trainer who has been on steroids since he was 19 has never used any and he just turned 50. He also said that he knows a lot of guys who take stuff and never use an AI.

I came to this site to get some opinions on what some of you think about these compound combinations, perhaps an AI would be beneficial. I don't know that is why I came on to the site. From your response it appears I have come to the wrong place. Not sure why you called me an Idiot, I guess that was to justify your insignificant and Low Class status in the world.

Good Day to you

 

[mrmatthewbae]

You said you had blood work. Where did you estradiol come in at? And have you checked your estradiol when blasting?

How can you say that managing estrogen is not necessary? Are you familiar with what high or low estrogen levels do to a man?

By the way, you are way too young to be doing AAS!!! Let alone going on it for life!!!

Why am I too young to supplement Testosterone?

 

[Megatron28]

Why am I too young to supplement Testosterone?

Supplement? That isn't how it works - despite what your trainer may have told you. Taking exogenous Testosterone shuts down your natural testosterone production. That's right. Shuts it down. Your testicles are not making any testosterone for you now. The longer they stay shut down the more likely that they will never be able to turn back on again and you will be dependent on exogenous Testosterone the rest of your life. Think about that.

What has your trainer's Estradiol come in at? Or let me guess - he doesn't believe in checking blood work and goes by feel. Just because he doesn't need an AI doesn't mean that you don't. You have to check your estradiol by getting blood work. Don't be stupid. Learn about how the Aromatase Enzyme works.

 

[Russel17401]

Hi @China_Wall I said I don't believe the AI is necessary because my trainer who has been on steroids since he was 19 has never used any and he just turned 50. He also said that he knows a lot of guys who take stuff and never use an AI.

I came to this site to get some opinions on what some of you think about these compound combinations, perhaps an AI would be beneficial. I don't know that is why I came on to the site. From your response it appears I have come to the wrong place. Not sure why you called me an Idiot, I guess that was to justify your insignificant and Low Class status in the world.

Good Day to you

Well now that you pissed just about everyone off with your snobby attitude I'll try to explain to you why you where called an idiot. And seriously dude don't come in here asking for advice and get all high and mighty when you don't hear what you want. Everyone on here will try to help you if you just show some respect and actually do some homework on the things you are doing.

So first of all you where called an idiot because you said you don't think AIs are nessesary. Just because your mentor said so. So he has 30 years of aas under his belt, so what, the combined knowledge on this forum alone is easily hundreds of years countless cycles and amounts of research you can't even imagine. So he never had to use an AI, some people are just not very susceptible to what high estrogen does to them, that does not mean you are immune. Everyone is different on this subject and you could be very susceptible to gyno, when other people around you are not. Even if you are not you want to keep your e2 in range because of the effects high e2 has on your body.

I'm going to give you smal amounts of info to help you out a bit so you can go do some studying and then realize why you where called an idiot. Testosterone is turned into estrogen in your body that being said when you are on aas your test is elevated obviously, so sense at normal ranges of test your body will convert that into normal ranges of estrogen. So if you do the math high test would obviously turn into high e2 also. Make sense? And high e2 leads to a variety of problems which I will let you figure out on your own.

Did your oh so wise mentor have you get a blood test before you started? Is he the one that looked at your blood work and told you everything looked good?

So now the last thing I'll tell you a little about is why it is recommended on here to wait untill you are 25 to start AAS if you have any other questions on why not you can ask respectfully or read some more. First your body is not done maturing. You stopped your chance to get any taller, your body was just not done developing yet. Most importantly In your case IMO is that your brain is not mature enough to make smart decisions. Have you thought of what it really means to be on AAS for the rest of your life? Maybe the rest of your life doesn't seem that long to you and you don't see a problem with it, but maybe in three years time you will not think that way and it will be far to late to go back. You will be taking an illegal substance for the rest of your life until you are old enough to get a doc to put you on trt. Do you like to travel? Well guess what you can't take illegal steroids on airplanes. So you want to fly somewhere for longer than a few weeks you are fucked until you have a script. There are so many other factors involved, but all you had on your mind is that you want to look good forever. Well if you don't do your homework and just go off of what some big guy at the gym tells you you might just end up bloated full of water with no hair and you can't even get your dick up to fuck your ugly girlfriend because that's all you can get with the bitch tits hanging off your chest.

Now do your research bro come on here ask intelligent and respectfull questions and you will get intelligent and respectful answers and nothing but help. Good luck in your endeavors.

 

[mrmatthewbae]

Supplement? That isn't how it works - despite what your trainer may have told you. Taking exogenous Testosterone shuts down your natural testosterone production. That's right. Shuts it down. Your testicles are not making any testosterone for you now. The longer they stay shut down the more likely that they will never be able to turn back on again and you will be dependent on exogenous Testosterone the rest of your life. Think about that.

What has your trainer's Estradiol come in at? Or let me guess - he doesn't believe in checking blood work and goes by feel. Just because he doesn't need an AI doesn't mean that you don't. You have to check your estradiol by getting blood work. Don't be stupid. Learn about how the Aromatase Enzyme works.

Shuts down your natural testosterone production. That's right... shuts it down. Hmm... Now Im living a life of Horrors. No... I have considered all of this and no need to worry about testes producing testosterone if you plan to SUPPLIMENT/ Inject, or whatever you want to call it for life.Nothing you said was worth thinking about... But hey thanks for calling me Stupid.

Ive posted 1 thread on Steroidology and have already been called an Idiot and Stupid. DEFINITELY came to the wrong place

 

[mrmatthewbae]

Well now that you pissed just about everyone off with your snobby attitude I'll try to explain to you why you where called an idiot. And seriously dude don't come in here asking for advice and get all high and mighty when you don't hear what you want. Everyone on here will try to help you if you just show some respect and actually do some homework on the things you are doing.

So first of all you where called an idiot because you said you don't think AIs are nessesary. Just because your mentor said so. So he has 30 years of aas under his belt, so what, the combined knowledge on this forum alone is easily hundreds of years countless cycles and amounts of research you can't even imagine. So he never had to use an AI, some people are just not very susceptible to what high estrogen does to them, that does not mean you are immune. Everyone is different on this subject and you could be very susceptible to gyno, when other people around you are not. Even if you are not you want to keep your e2 in range because of the effects high e2 has on your body.

I'm going to give you smal amounts of info to help you out a bit so you can go do some studying and then realize why you where called an idiot. Testosterone is turned into estrogen in your body that being said when you are on aas your test is elevated obviously, so sense at normal ranges of test your body will convert that into normal ranges of estrogen. So if you do the math high test would obviously turn into high e2 also. Make sense? And high e2 leads to a variety of problems which I will let you figure out on your own.

Did your oh so wise mentor have you get a blood test before you started? Is he the one that looked at your blood work and told you everything looked good?

So now the last thing I'll tell you a little about is why it is recommended on here to wait untill you are 25 to start AAS if you have any other questions on why not you can ask respectfully or read some more. First your body is not done maturing. You stopped your chance to get any taller, your body was just not done developing yet. Most importantly In your case IMO is that your brain is not mature enough to make smart decisions. Have you thought of what it really means to be on AAS for the rest of your life? Maybe the rest of your life doesn't seem that long to you and you don't see a problem with it, but maybe in three years time you will not think that way and it will be far to late to go back. You will be taking an illegal substance for the rest of your life until you are old enough to get a doc to put you on trt. Do you like to travel? Well guess what you can't take illegal steroids on airplanes. So you want to fly somewhere for longer than a few weeks you are fucked until you have a script. There are so many other factors involved, but all you had on your mind is that you want to look good forever. Well if you don't do your homework and just go off of what some big guy at the gym tells you you might just end up bloated full of water with no hair and you can't even get your dick up to fuck your ugly girlfriend because that's all you can get with the bitch tits hanging off your chest.

Now do your research bro come on here ask intelligent and respectfull questions and you will get intelligent and respectful answers and nothing but help. Good luck in your endeavors.

Ah. Only bothered to read the first 3 paragraphs when I found out that your "hundreds of years countless cycles and amounts of research" was just going to be some basic BS about how Test converts to Estrogen and GYNO and water retention so on so forth, etc... etc. Followed by another insult and asking me to do more research.

BTW just skimmed through your last long dreadful paragraph about a prescription and taking vacations so on so forth, etc... etc. My ENDOCRINOLOGIST does the blood work and prescribes me Test.

 

[mrmatthewbae]

Well now that you pissed just about everyone off with your snobby attitude I'll try to explain to you why you where called an idiot. And seriously dude don't come in here asking for advice and get all high and mighty when you don't hear what you want. Everyone on here will try to help you if you just show some respect and actually do some homework on the things you are doing.

So first of all you where called an idiot because you said you don't think AIs are nessesary. Just because your mentor said so. So he has 30 years of aas under his belt, so what, the combined knowledge on this forum alone is easily hundreds of years countless cycles and amounts of research you can't even imagine. So he never had to use an AI, some people are just not very susceptible to what high estrogen does to them, that does not mean you are immune. Everyone is different on this subject and you could be very susceptible to gyno, when other people around you are not. Even if you are not you want to keep your e2 in range because of the effects high e2 has on your body.

I'm going to give you smal amounts of info to help you out a bit so you can go do some studying and then realize why you where called an idiot. Testosterone is turned into estrogen in your body that being said when you are on aas your test is elevated obviously, so sense at normal ranges of test your body will convert that into normal ranges of estrogen. So if you do the math high test would obviously turn into high e2 also. Make sense? And high e2 leads to a variety of problems which I will let you figure out on your own.

Did your oh so wise mentor have you get a blood test before you started? Is he the one that looked at your blood work and told you everything looked good?

So now the last thing I'll tell you a little about is why it is recommended on here to wait untill you are 25 to start AAS if you have any other questions on why not you can ask respectfully or read some more. First your body is not done maturing. You stopped your chance to get any taller, your body was just not done developing yet. Most importantly In your case IMO is that your brain is not mature enough to make smart decisions. Have you thought of what it really means to be on AAS for the rest of your life? Maybe the rest of your life doesn't seem that long to you and you don't see a problem with it, but maybe in three years time you will not think that way and it will be far to late to go back. You will be taking an illegal substance for the rest of your life until you are old enough to get a doc to put you on trt. Do you like to travel? Well guess what you can't take illegal steroids on airplanes. So you want to fly somewhere for longer than a few weeks you are fucked until you have a script. There are so many other factors involved, but all you had on your mind is that you want to look good forever. Well if you don't do your homework and just go off of what some big guy at the gym tells you you might just end up bloated full of water with no hair and you can't even get your dick up to fuck your ugly girlfriend because that's all you can get with the bitch tits hanging off your chest.

Now do your research bro come on here ask intelligent and respectfull questions and you will get intelligent and respectful answers and nothing but help. Good luck in your endeavors.

"can't even get your dick up to fuck your ugly girlfriend because that's all you can get with the bitch tits hanging off your chest."

That one beats all the others

 

[mrmatthewbae]

So since Ive been insulted this is my turn to respond back since Im not an idiot or stupid, but You are all very funny and sound like a bunch of Pussies. All I was asking is your opinions on the combinations of Sust, Deca, Anadrol, and HGH. Thats it. Yet I get a bunch of responses about Blood Work, Estrogen, Acne, Hairloss, Horrors and more horrors... as if none of you run GRAMS more than anything I am even touching. I said in the Post that I do not experience a bulk of the side effects that perhaps others experience. I have heard of someone who took 1 CC of Sustanon and broke out with acne so bad he had scars. But this is someone who also gets acne from drinking a whey protein shake... Some people just have different reactions. I have had NO ACNE through Cruise and Blast, no personality or mental changes, no receding hair, no signs of Gyno and like I said Blood Work was perfect last time my ENDOCRINOLOGIST checked.

I guess I was a little more aware than I gave myself credit for when I posted this thread and didn't know I was going to hear a lot of Redundant BS that Ive already read countless times throughout other articles and heard from my Doctor.

But anyway, to all of you out there who are out to state your claims and insults .... Go ahead and post another long as reply to this about how Im an idiot and need to do my research

 

[Milton]

So since Ive been insulted this is my turn to respond back since Im not an idiot or stupid, but You are all very funny and sound like a bunch of Pussies. All I was asking is your opinions on the combinations of Sust, Deca, Anadrol, and HGH. Thats it. Yet I get a bunch of responses about Blood Work, Estrogen, Acne, Hairloss, Horrors and more horrors... as if none of you run GRAMS more than anything I am even touching. I said in the Post that I do not experience a bulk of the side effects that perhaps others experience. I have heard of someone who took 1 CC of Sustanon and broke out with acne so bad he had scars. But this is someone who also gets acne from drinking a whey protein shake... Some people just have different reactions. I have had NO ACNE through Cruise and Blast, no personality or mental changes, no receding hair, no signs of Gyno and like I said Blood Work was perfect last time my ENDOCRINOLOGIST checked.

I guess I was a little more aware than I gave myself credit for when I posted this thread and didn't know I was going to hear a lot of Redundant BS that Ive already read countless times throughout other articles and heard from my Doctor.

But anyway, to all of you out there who are out to state your claims and insults .... Go ahead and post another long as reply to this about how Im an idiot and need to do my research

No need to get your panties all stained up. Sound advice here from these guys who know whats up and have been there and done it.

 

[mrmatthewbae]

No need to get your panties all stained up. Sound advice here from these guys who know whats up and have been there and done it.

Thats fine Mr. Administrator. Just confused as to the quality of the responses. Yours in particular was introduced with "No need to get your panties all stained up". I suppose thats not too bad though considering the others were insults which offend my Class and Stature.

 

[mrmatthewbae]

Ah, I guess Ill reply to my own post..

Mr Matthew Bae:

You're not an idiot or stupid. Let me see if I can help you. First my opinion on the compounds is that they are pretty intense!

Sustanon is a good Base. 500 MG is okay but maybe you'll see more results if you bump it up to say 750- 1 Gram based on your weight of 220.

Deca is good for Size and Hardness but may cause water retention.

Anadrol is said to be liver toxic however there have been those in the above who replied to your post or on these discussion forums who have probably done way more than 50 Mg per day and lets just say their Livers are not failing. This is if you stick to about 4-6 weeks on Anadrol anything more than that may not be necessary. It will definitely cause water retention and may lower your appetite a bunch.

HGH is a very health hormone and promotes healthy skin, hair, and is said to be the fountain of youth. But I would recommend having your HGH levels checked with your endocrinologist before starting with your kit.


I would stay on these combinations for about a month to a month and a half then go back down to your TRT dose of Sustanon along with your 2 IU's of HGH per day to keep a healthy balanced levels in your body.

Also may we see a fresh report of your Blood Test results? That would help with regards to better replies on these Discussion Forums.

Cheers

 

[mrmatthewbae]

Ah, I guess Ill reply to my own post..

Mr Matthew Bae:

You're not an idiot or stupid. Let me see if I can help you. First my opinion on the compounds is that they are pretty intense!

Sustanon is a good Base. 500 MG is okay but maybe you'll see more results if you bump it up to say 750- 1 Gram based on your weight of 220.

Deca is good for Size and Hardness but may cause water retention.

Anadrol is said to be liver toxic however there have been those in the above who replied to your post or on these discussion forums who have probably done way more than 50 Mg per day and lets just say their Livers are not failing. This is if you stick to about 4-6 weeks on Anadrol anything more than that may not be necessary. It will definitely cause water retention and may lower your appetite a bunch.

HGH is a very health hormone and promotes healthy skin, hair, and is said to be the fountain of youth. But I would recommend having your HGH levels checked with your endocrinologist before starting with your kit.


I would stay on these combinations for about a month to a month and a half then go back down to your TRT dose of Sustanon along with your 2 IU's of HGH per day to keep a healthy balanced levels in your body.

Also may we see a fresh report of your Blood Test results? That would help with regards to better replies on these Discussion Forums.

Cheers

Hey.

Thanks man. Finally someone who gives some sound advice and exercises their opinions with a sense of humble authority. Response looks good I will add to your Reputation Powers.

Im loving the Sust, Deca, Anadrol and will be visiting my Endo soon to get new blood work and have my HGH tested. You're right the Drol does lower appetite but its worth it to finally try out the beast everyone has been talking about! Its only 4 weeks, not 6. Im probably going to stay at 500Mg Sustanon I don't see a need to go overboard.

Thanks again for your opinions they were very helpful. Cheers