SUST 250/ TREN ADVICE, 1st Time

[hov13]

I'm fairly new to this, but have done two cycles of dbol while in college, lacked a lot of the knowledge that went along with doing a cycle, i.e. post cycle therapy (pct), estrogen blockers, etc.

I am looking to start a cycle now, and have a natural size of 5'10, 195, <11% body fat.

My friend who does amateur bodybuilding has so far been my source of information besides what I've read on this site. He recommends a Sustanon (sust) 250/ Tren Cycle (12 weeks), and adding anavar later in the cycle. I've read several threads about first cycles, Sustanon (sust) use, and so on. But was looking to get some guidance and advice on this particular mix, and how I should proceed. Thanks guys really appreciate any knowledge I can get from the forum.

 

[chaperlin]

I would not bother with Tren yet. It is for more experienced users. I foubnd this out the hard way and had a lot of side effects when i first introduced Tren. High Blood Pressure. Palpitations. Fever Like Symptoms.

I would Consider this course

Week 1-10 Sustanon 500mg week (monday-Thursday ijections of 250mg)

No need for Anavar really. I might Consider Winstrol for the last 4 weeks

Week 1-10 Sustanon 500g week
Week 8-12 Winstrol 50mg Day

Also dont forget post cycle therapy (pct). Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Nolvadex should be enough

 

[UserAt204]

You should avoid the tren. I would stick with 500mg Sustanon (sust) a week. What ester tren would you get? Ace or enanthate. We cannot recommend a dose without knowing. Also with those two, you could get sides(gyno) from either estrogen or prolactin. It's best to run test first to see how you respond. If you get gyno, then you know it's estro related and you can fix that. Tren can cause gyno also by elevated prolactin If running both and sides appear you won't know which is causing it.

 

[hov13]

if i avoid the tren, which seems like good advice. would you recommend something else to stack with the sust? my first thought was to combine with winstrol but my source cannot easily get the winstrol, hence suggested tren because that is what he was doing. but like you guys had mentioned he is far more experienced than i am.

 

[UserAt204]

Here's the thing. Since you have never run injectables, stick to just test to see how you respond. You may be gyno prone, if so you will know it's caused by estro. Tren can cause gyno also but it's prolactin related so if you begin to get gyno you won't know which is causing it or how to treat it without adding unnecessary chemicals. Test alone will do the job then next cycle you can add another compound and since you have already used dbol you could use that for 4 weeks at the start of your test. It's up to you in the end. Keeping it simple give you a chance to see how things work for you
They can be used but it's not advised just for these simple reasons. Experience is best and it's nice to see how each compounds works before adding the next. And now I'm rambling.

 

[hov13]

Thanks a lot man, I have definitely been doing a lot of research since your first reply and I am definitely going to go with a test only cycle. I posted a new thread 'think i should do a newbie cycle, please help!' with a sample test cycle I found from another thread. I liked everything the person had posted, including being cautious and using an anti-estrogen throughout the cycle to be safe. I added a few thoughts/ changes based on other research off the site, I'd really appreciate it if you could check it out, and give me your thoughts. But its basically a 12 week 500mg per week test e cycle, and then I had questions as far as best anti-estrogen to use during, and what pct combination will be ideal.