Test Cyp and Deca Cycle with ostra during pct

Luislebron23

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My buddy and I were planning on starting our second cycle here soon. We were planning on doing 400mg of test and 200 to 250 mg of Deca with Hcg starting the last week of our injection for 3 weeks and then start PCT with Ostra.

This is how it's looking so far

Week 1- week 10
400mg of test Cyp (Sun/Wed)
200 to 250mg of Deca (Sun/Wed)
So twice a week

Week 10 to week 11 (2 weeks)
Hcg either ED or EOD
Looking on dosages (any suggestions?)

Week 12 - week 16
Clomid (50/50/25/25)
Ostra 25mg ED
Continue Ostra until week 18. 2 weeks after the last PCT

Week 18 to week 20
Completely off everything. And hopefully by then or so start another cycle

We believe that should bring our test levels up a bit faster and help us also keep more of our gains from our cycle. Any ideas or advice ? Is this a good cycle?
 
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greetings! are you going to have bloodworks alongside your cycle, pre, during and after to properly manage your cycle?
and we cannot say if this is a good cycle for you both as you have not shared both of your stats, age, weight, height, bf %, cycle history?
 
We are not planning on doing the blood work as of now, but might consider.
Our stats are

Luis
Age 21
139 pounds
5'6
Bf last I knew was at about 12% but that was a couple months ago.

Jose
Age 25
145
5'9
Not sure on his Bf % but deff close to mine since he's pretty much my same size just a little taller

The only Cycle we have done is Test E and Deca at 250mg 1cc a week for 12 weeks with clomid as our pct. which was last year, around August or so.
 
This isn't a great cycle design for anyone. Let me pick it apart. 10 weeks of deca is about 4 weeks too short. Deca takes a long time to kick in. 8 weeks roughly. This will get me to my next point. You can't stop taking test the same time as deca. You have to stay on test atleast 2 weeks longer. If you start pct with elevated levels of deca in your system, you will have a failed pct. You starting your pct 2 weeks after last pin is a no go. See above on that.
Hcg... Many will debate it's use. Most will run it from beginning of cycle up to pct. You probably should go that route.
Pct... This is the most important step of the cycle as far as getting your natural test levels back. The tried and true would be nolva and clomid. Not sure what or why your substituting something else. Stick to shit that works.
So some questions for you.. What ai are you going to use and at what dose/frequency? When are you getting bloodwork? What homework have you done to lead you to this cycle plan???
 
This isn't a great cycle design for anyone. Let me pick it apart. 10 weeks of deca is about 4 weeks too short. Deca takes a long time to kick in. 8 weeks roughly. This will get me to my next point. You can't stop taking test the same time as deca. You have to stay on test atleast 2 weeks longer. If you start pct with elevated levels of deca in your system, you will have a failed pct. You starting your pct 2 weeks after last pin is a no go. See above on that.
Hcg... Many will debate it's use. Most will run it from beginning of cycle up to pct. You probably should go that route.
Pct... This is the most important step of the cycle as far as getting your natural test levels back. The tried and true would be nolva and clomid. Not sure what or why your substituting something else. Stick to shit that works.
So some questions for you.. What ai are you going to use and at what dose/frequency? When are you getting bloodwork? What homework have you done to lead you to this cycle plan???

This ^^^ is right on...

Now as far as you being 21 there are many reason why you should not do this. The possible repercussions for you at 21 are serious and life long. Read up more and see that most everyone that started that young are married to a needle for the rest of their life. Also they wished they had not done it. OK enough on that thought.

By the cycle you have planned your Q's and Tbones's post it shows just how much you do not know. NO OFFENCE but I speak the fact here.

Where is your AI... do you know anything about all the side effects of high n low estrogen. Do you know that when you boost your test level up with Exogenous test n steroids that your E2 will rise, fact. SO without an AI if I have your plan correct how are you gonna control your E2 and the side effects which are not only Gyno. There are several. If you are not aware of ALL of them how will you know other then the ED and Anorgasmia,

No thought to blood work, how will you know if you have high or low estradiol. And more other blood work to watch other endocrine factors. You need BW.

Deca read up on the profile and how the Deconate ester is one of the longest and to get mass buking effects from Deca you need in the range of 500-600 mgs week. Then you better be watching BW. The length of time for you to benefit from Deca Tbone told you more then 10 but 12 min or 14-16 weeks. The how long the Deconate ester lasts ... PCT timing.

You didn't tell us your goals. Now as far as gains. Anything more then 10 + pounds of gains is mostly water. You will shed that. Keeping gains will be only the LMM you grow/ build and if you continue a good diet , calories and train you can hold about 4-5-6 lbs on a good cycle. All considering loosing the water.

You said you wanna go right into another cycle, did I hear that? well the proper way to use AAS safely is a rule f thumb time on equals time off. Many do not do that but at your ages problems can arise if not enough time off. Listen I'm an old guy but sex has always been one of the most important thing as a man. At 66 I am still active. So how much do you wanna play Russian Roulette with you sex life.

SO if you want to have a productive cycle as well as safe you need to wait and read up. DO your research and come back with Q's. WE can help you to understand.

Start b reading ALL the sticky posts back where you came in to start your thread. Ask Google Q's as to what we have told you and your reading.
If you do this without knowledge of what we said you will gain a shit load of water , minimal LMM and you will loose you gains.
You guys are NOT READY.

Come back and talk more so we may guide you.

OMM
 
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