Test Cyp E3D

[TR90125]

It seems like most on here that are using Test Cyp are injecting E5D. I am currently injecting 1/ml, 200mg, E5D and was wondering if anyone has injected E3D?

I have been tracking my mood, energy, etc. and still seem to experience a slight roller coaster effect and the trend seems consistent.

I am taking Anastrozole 25 mcg twice a week, danazole daily and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250 iu the day after my test.

I have not spoken to Chip yet, but I thought I would reach out to the Maximus brethren to see if anyone has done this.

I am basically injecting 2 ml/400 mg in a 10 day period, so I was considering injecting .6 to .7 ml E3D, which would give me around 400mg in a 9 day period.

If it helps, I seem to consistently feel anxious, irritiable and somewhat depressed at the end of my 5 days and for about the first 12-24 hours after my injection.

My sweet spot as it relates to my mood, energy etc. seems to be 72 hours after injecting 1 ml and seems to last about a day, sometimes two days. Essentially, I find that I am having 1-2 really great days out of 5.

Any input is much appreciated!

 

[Nordic11]

Have you run follow-up blood work lately?

 

[TR90125]

Have you run follow-up blood work lately?

Testosterone, Serum 1050
Estrogens 124
SHBG 16.6
TSH 1.020

Blood was collected 10/10/2011 the day I would normally inject test cyp, which was done after blood was drawn.

Also, my estrogen level is not just E2, but the full Estrogen panel.

My levels seem fine. My last 3 rounds of blood my Test has been 1227, 1525 and 1050. I'm just wondering if E3D would minimize the peaks and valleys.

 

[cjw2021]

you're on danazol so your shbg is low all day which is burning through test faster. How are you liking danazol?

25 mcg of arimidex twice a week? Are you joking? When I got arimidex I was using 1 mg twice a week and it still only stopped my nipple itching for 6 hours after taking it. I now take letrozole 2.5mg every 3 days and my estrogen is under control, my acne is gone, and I am not moody or fatigued anymore. I suggest letrozole.

Since your free testosterone is high from low shbg induced by danazol you are going to have a higher estrogen and dht conversion at a faster rate...which will cause these shitty feelings and mood swings. Sounds like you need to up your arimidex dose. I've never heard of anyone taking 25 micrograms of arimidex. Try 1mg eod then if that doesn't cut it letrozole. Obviously labs help to show where e2 is.

 

[cjw2021]

Usually they test estradiol alone. In any event that e2 number is probably high. Plz get a regular estrogen test next time. The problem is not that you need more testosterone or more frequent testosterone injections because your levels are still high the day you are set to inject! You need to lower your estrogen with more arimidex or letro.

 

[cashout]

It seems like most on here that are using Test Cyp are injecting E5D. I am currently injecting 1/ml, 200mg, E5D and was wondering if anyone has injected E3D?

I have been tracking my mood, energy, etc. and still seem to experience a slight roller coaster effect and the trend seems consistent.

I am taking Anastrozole 25 mcg twice a week, danazole daily and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250 iu the day after my test.

I have not spoken to Chip yet, but I thought I would reach out to the Maximus brethren to see if anyone has done this.

I am basically injecting 2 ml/400 mg in a 10 day period, so I was considering injecting .6 to .7 ml E3D, which would give me around 400mg in a 9 day period.

If it helps, I seem to consistently feel anxious, irritiable and somewhat depressed at the end of my 5 days and for about the first 12-24 hours after my injection.

My sweet spot as it relates to my mood, energy etc. seems to be 72 hours after injecting 1 ml and seems to last about a day, sometimes two days. Essentially, I find that I am having 1-2 really great days out of 5.

Any input is much appreciated!

I'm at 100 mg every 84 hours - basically Monday morning at 6 am and Thursday evening at 6 pm.

I was on 200 mg once a week and there was just too much variation in my levels. My high marks were over 2000 ng/dl 48 hours after injection and my low marks were around 1000 ng/dl on day 7 before injection.

I was opposed to a multi-injection schedule because I just don't like sticking myself. Sorry I'm not going to even pretend to be an Internet tough guy!!

But, I found insulin needles! I can tell you that this is so totally comfortable for me that I could inject every day if I had to and it wouldn't be an issue.

So, now that I am on 100 mg every 84 hours, my range is between 1700 - 1300 ng/dl - much smaller and more stable.

I like it a lot better b/c I aromitiaze less at the top end and I don't have to use as much of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) as before.

 

[TR90125]

you're on danazol so your shbg is low all day which is burning through test faster. How are you liking danazol?

25 mcg of arimidex twice a week? Are you joking? When I got arimidex I was using 1 mg twice a week and it still only stopped my nipple itching for 6 hours after taking it. I now take letrozole 2.5mg every 3 days and my estrogen is under control, my acne is gone, and I am not moody or fatigued anymore. I suggest letrozole.

Since your free testosterone is high from low shbg induced by danazol you are going to have a higher estrogen and dht conversion at a faster rate...which will cause these shitty feelings and mood swings. Sounds like you need to up your arimidex dose. I've never heard of anyone taking 25 micrograms of arimidex. Try 1mg eod then if that doesn't cut it letrozole. Obviously labs help to show where e2 is.

Dude, my bad. My Anastrozole dose is 1 mg and I am taking it twice a week currently. The original script was for 3 times a week. I don't know where 25 mcg came from...

 

[transcend2007]

Cashout, very interesting. I asked this same question a few days ago in a thread inject less more often.....my logic being that there would be less conversion to estrogen with a more efficient use of testosterone. Although others stated since the levels would be basically the same there would not be less conversion. Nonetheless, I did switched over to E3D. Its only been 1 week but it is nice to hear someone with your experience is getting the exact result that I am looking for. To inject less more often, more efficient use of medication, with less AI.

Did you also change the amount of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you are using when you went to every 48 hours?

 

[TR2838]

I don't think it'll hurt you to do more frequent injections.. I would try it and if it doesnt help, then up the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose..

 

[cjw2021]

Only way to tell is with labs. I know we hear of pro bodybuilders using grams of steroids but not everyone has the makeup to handle even a 2000 testosterone level. And when estrogen gets high it just makes it worse. privatemdlabs.com can get you a cheap e2 lab which will help in seeing if you need a stronger Aromatase inhibitor (AI), or arimidex every day or whatnot.

 

[TR90125]

Only way to tell is with labs. I know we hear of pro bodybuilders using grams of steroids but not everyone has the makeup to handle even a 2000 testosterone level. And when estrogen gets high it just makes it worse. privatemdlabs.com can get you a cheap e2 lab which will help in seeing if you need a stronger Aromatase inhibitor (AI), or arimidex every day or whatnot.

I just ordered an E2 test and hope to get blood done this afternoon. I will keep everyone posted. I still haven't ruled out E3D, but I just injected 1/mL today, so I have a few days to think on it.

Thanks for everyone's input.

 

[cashout]

Cashout, very interesting. I asked this same question a few days ago in a thread inject less more often.....my logic being that there would be less conversion to estrogen with a more efficient use of testosterone. Although others stated since the levels would be basically the same there would not be less conversion. Nonetheless, I did switched over to E3D. Its only been 1 week but it is nice to hear someone with your experience is getting the exact result that I am looking for. To inject less more often, more efficient use of medication, with less AI.

Did you also change the amount of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you are using when you went to every 48 hours?

About 4 months ago, I stopped using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) altogether. For me there was no point to it and it added to the aromatization issue.

 

[kbeach118]

I'm at 100 mg every 84 hours - basically Monday morning at 6 am and Thursday evening at 6 pm.

I was on 200 mg once a week and there was just too much variation in my levels. My high marks were over 2000 ng/dl 48 hours after injection and my low marks were around 1000 ng/dl on day 7 before injection.

I was opposed to a multi-injection schedule because I just don't like sticking myself. Sorry I'm not going to even pretend to be an Internet tough guy!!

But, I found insulin needles! I can tell you that this is so totally comfortable for me that I could inject every day if I had to and it wouldn't be an issue.

So, now that I am on 100 mg every 84 hours, my range is between 1700 - 1300 ng/dl - much smaller and more stable.

I like it a lot better b/c I aromitiaze less at the top end and I don't have to use as much of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) as before.

Bro, how do you get that through an insulin needle? I've mixed mine with b12 and still struggle through a 25g

 

[cashout]

Bro, how do you get that through an insulin needle? I've mixed mine with b12 and still struggle through a 25g

Back fill the insulin syringe.

1. Use a 23 g to draw the oil out of the vial.
2. Pull the plunger out of the insulin syringe.
3. Inject the oil from the 23 g syringe into the insulin syringe.
4. Replace the plunger and inject.

Takes 30 seconds and is painless.

 

[kbeach118]

Back fill the insulin syringe.

1. Use a 23 g to draw the oil out of the vial.
2. Pull the plunger out of the insulin syringe.
3. Inject the oil from the 23 g syringe into the insulin syringe.
4. Replace the plunger and inject.

Takes 30 seconds and is painless.

Thanks I will try that! I've been concerned about scar tissue over the long haul. This would definitely eliminate that concern.

 

[cjw2021]

I would think that subq would almost be like using gel, no? a higher estro conversion due to more aromatase enzyme on the skin and in the fat?

 

[cashout]

I would think that subq would almost be like using gel, no? a higher estro conversion due to more aromatase enzyme on the skin and in the fat?

Who's doing sub-q?

With 5/16" I easily hit IM in the delts.

Some who are not as lean might need 1/2" to get IM.

 

[TR90125]

Here's some good info on using insulin needles from one of Cashout's previous threads since there seems to be some interest in the topic.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/t...therapy/608416-using-insulin-needles-pin.html


If anyone else has some experience related to my original topic, please post up!

Thx

 

[TR90125]

My E2 results are back from the lab

13.4 pg/mL

My current Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is Anastrozole, 1mg twice per week. I am going to revert back to 1 mg E7D and retest. I think I may be exhibiting symptoms of low E2 currently.

 

[wolfman010]

I'm at 100 mg every 84 hours - basically Monday morning at 6 am and Thursday evening at 6 pm.

I was on 200 mg once a week and there was just too much variation in my levels. My high marks were over 2000 ng/dl 48 hours after injection and my low marks were around 1000 ng/dl on day 7 before injection.

I was opposed to a multi-injection schedule because I just don't like sticking myself. Sorry I'm not going to even pretend to be an Internet tough guy!!

But, I found insulin needles! I can tell you that this is so totally comfortable for me that I could inject every day if I had to and it wouldn't be an issue.

So, now that I am on 100 mg every 84 hours, my range is between 1700 - 1300 ng/dl - much smaller and more stable.

I like it a lot better b/c I aromitiaze less at the top end and I don't have to use as much of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) as before.

Cashout-
Do you get your letro from Maximus?