test cyp opinions

[pippoph]

EDIT: test prop opinions

HI!
Sorry for my English but I'm Italian.

I'm 22, weight 103 kg (18% bf) - 186 cm.

about 2 months ago I did a cycle of epistane (5 weeks (30/30/30/40/40), for pct I used only daa + hcgenerate + atd (Serm nothing, I was stupid).
From the second week of pct my libido was knockout. (erection works )

After the cycle of epistane I did blood tests and urine tests (without hormonal parameters)
and the values ***8203;***8203;of the tests are perfect (kidney, liver, etc.).

I would like to do a cycle of test cypionate (testovis)
and I would like to end pct my libido came back to the top.

I would like to make a cycle of 8 weeks (3 injections at week 50 or 100mg)
I was thinking of using clomid for pct and hcg

What do you think?
8 weeks is too much?
What dosage is recommended for the test cyp for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and clomid?
For problems gyno During and after cycle could only use atd? (only if necessary)

Thank you.

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I'm not use test cypionate. I'm confused.
I used test propionate.
Read the last post to understand

 

[GracieBBJ]

I like testC at 500mg a week 250Mon and Thurs

 

[Smashed]

You're too young still and a little on the high BF% side, but since you're gonna do it anyway:

500mg Test Cyp, pin Mon Morning/Thurs Evening or pick every 3.5 days.
Not a bad idea to use a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during but stop at post cycle therapy (pct), Aromasin 12.5mg daily works good for me.
Also not a bad idea to use Clomid during to keep the nuts plump, 25mg daily.

PCT I think should be 50mg daily of Clomid Only for 4 weeks. Some say add Nolva too but with its ability to effect IGF levels most steer clear of it and do just Clomid.
14 days after last Test shot start your PCT. You could blast with HCG, 500iu's daily for 10 days to help with recovery but the debate is still unclear. I'm pretty sure on the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosage but not 100%.

HCG Generate is oral right? If so, that stuff gets destroyed in the stomach acids upon intake. Better to do injectable.

8 Weeks is fine but not enough in my opinion. Test starts working 3-4 works in, so why shut it down 4 weeks later. Just my opinion though

 

[pippoph]

You're too young still and a little on the high BF% side, but since you're gonna do it anyway:

500mg Test Cyp, pin Mon Morning/Thurs Evening or pick every 3.5 days.
Not a bad idea to use a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during but stop at post cycle therapy (pct), Aromasin 12.5mg daily works good for me.
Also not a bad idea to use Clomid during to keep the nuts plump, 25mg daily.

PCT I think should be 50mg daily of Clomid Only for 4 weeks. Some say add Nolva too but with its ability to effect IGF levels most steer clear of it and do just Clomid.
14 days after last Test shot start your PCT. You could blast with HCG, 500iu's daily for 10 days to help with recovery but the debate is still unclear. I'm pretty sure on the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosage but not 100%.

HCG Generate is oral right? If so, that stuff gets destroyed in the stomach acids upon intake. Better to do injectable.

8 Weeks is fine but not enough in my opinion. Test starts working 3-4 works in, so why shut it down 4 weeks later. Just my opinion though

thanks for the replies
So how many weeks? 10? 12?
You said to use clomid and Aromasin during the cycle, but start with them from the first day and continued for the duration of the cycle, all day?
For Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) what do I do, my goal would be to (in addition to muscle: D) to have at the end of pct my libido up (because now is ko).

 

[jagbc]

i like running the test for 12 weeks

 

[a7x411]

Do it more than 8 weeks. Like 12-14. 8 weeks would be a waste and you would most likely wish you ran it longer to get more gains

 

[Smashed]

thanks for the replies
So how many weeks? 10? 12?
You said to use clomid and Aromasin during the cycle, but start with them from the first day and continued for the duration of the cycle, all day?
For Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) what do I do, my goal would be to (in addition to muscle: D) to have at the end of post cycle therapy (pct) my libido up (because now is ko).

Lets say 12 is good. Just remember the longer you run it, the harder it MIGHT be to rebound. The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I think should be run during or blast after and not both. Clomid is cheaper and at 25mg's a day, a liquid bottle from one of our sponsors will last you a little over 3 months. Aromasin, depends on how gyno prone you are as well. The longer you are on it, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like Aromasin will help control estrogen. Some estro is good, so play with the dosing. Try 6.25mg's a day for a week or two, if you start feeling sensitive nips, up it to 12.5mg's a day.

I'm doing 16 weeks of Cyp, @ 500mg a week, Clomid at 25mg's a day, Aromasin at 12.5mg's a day through out cylce. I plan to blast with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after last pin at 500iu's a day for 10 days, then 4 days later start my Clomid at 50mg a day for 4 weeks.

I've done Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) throughout a cycle of Cyp and all it does really is keep your nuts plump. You're body is shut down regardless, so the blast at the end is to get you restarted, to help make it easier to restart.

 

[Brian89]

Why are you running clomid during the cycle? Shouldn't that just be left for post cycle therapy (pct)? I haven't heard of it being used for testicular atrophy before. Can anybody else speak for this?

 

[Smashed]

Read Zeek's Post on Clomid, its eye opening. You can use HCG but with its prolonged use and suppressing Leydig cells, I'm using Clomid.

Edit: Added thread for ya http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...one-best-testosterone-boosters-available.html

 

[alinshoprep]

500mg cyp per week is plenty for a 6 month run.

 

[pippoph]

guys I am confused! Today I covered the testovis, it is not testosterone cypionato, it is testosterone propionate!
I'm sorry!
With propionate what should I do?
I do a 12 week cycle?
How many injections a week? by how much?
During the test cycle, in addition to what I take (for estrogen etc.., Nolvadex? 10 mg? Or clomid? Aromasin?)
I'd rather not suppress my libido during the cycle.

For pct I thought:
Week 1: nolvadex 20mgs/day (or clomid?) - hcg 500iu/day
Week 2: nolvadex 20mgs/day (or clomid?) - hcg 500iu/day
Week 3: nolvadex 20mgs/day (or clomid?) - hcg 500iu/day
Week 4: nolvadex 20mgs/day (or clomid?)
Week 5: nolvadex 20mgs/day (or clomid?)
Week 6: nolvadex 20mgs/day (or clomid?)

(one of my goals is to have after pct my libido through the roof)


sorry for my english.

 

[Smashed]

You should REALLY start doing some research bud. http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/595482-standard-pcts.html


Prop you will have to pin every other day or EOD as they say. 150mg EOD is the norm.

PCT I run Clomid only at 50mg daily for 4 weeks, start 7 days after last pin of Prop. Prop is gonna suck for your first cycle if you don't like pinning, that's why most recommend Cyp as its twice weekly due to the esther size. You can cut it with B12 or filtered Grapeseed oil if it gets to be too much sting. Due to the short esther size, your injection point will hurt more.

 

[pippoph]

You should REALLY start doing some research bud. steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/595482-standard-pcts.html


Prop you will have to pin every other day or EOD as they say. 150mg EOD is the norm.

PCT I run Clomid only at 50mg daily for 4 weeks, start 7 days after last pin of Prop. Prop is gonna suck for your first cycle if you don't like pinning, that's why most recommend Cyp as its twice weekly due to the esther size. You can cut it with B12 or filtered Grapeseed oil if it gets to be too much sting. Due to the short esther size, your injection point will hurt more.

thanks bro!
What do you think of this cycle:
10-12 seventh test propionate
4 weekly injections of 125 mg or better 3 injections of 150/175 mg?
(How about add nolvadex or clomid? ldex and?)

pct: 5 days after the last injection
1 week: hcg 500ui / day - 20 mg nolva? l.dex 0.25mgs/day?
2 weeks: hcg 500ui / day - 20 mg nolva? l.dex 0.25mgs/day?
3 weeks: hcg 500ui / day - 20 mg nolva? l.dex 0.25mgs/day?
4 weeks: 20 mg nolva? l.dex 0.25mgs/day?
5 weeks: 20 mg nolva? l.dex 0.25mgs/day?

If you get up too dosage nolvadex do not have negative effects on libido?
I can run safely on the cycle and the pct without using any Aromatase inhibitor (AI), but only a Serm (nolva or clomid?)

but if I have to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), instead of using aromasin can I use atd? (it's easier to find for me)

 

[hardtarget]

I would use the Testosterone Cypionate at 500 milligrams for 12 weeks.

 

[pippoph]

I would use the Testosterone Cypionate at 500 milligrams for 12 weeks.

DO NOT run on cypionate, but i run propionate with, if you want to help me read my last post

 

[KingBF]

I think if you didn't know what you test was already you got problems. you need to do way more reseach. your pct is fucked so go read the pct sticky and all your answers will be there already

 

[pippoph]

the pct that I have posted not think it was so wrong. (can be found on another forum with a very good explanation on this).
Therefore, I am asking for advice to you (since you are much more experienced than me)
Can you give me some help? (also with regard to atd)

 

[KingBF]

hcg is best used while on cycle and or a blast phase during the time your waiting for your test to clear. you really don't need hcg for a test only cycle unless your dead set on it. with test prop I run it during cycle 250iu twice a week until 4 days before you start pct. I add the blast phase if im using a compound very suppressive like npp or tren ace. my pct's were best when I used clomid at 50mg ED and nolva 20mg ED for 4 weeks. I wait 5 days after my last prop pin to start pct if im not doing a blast phase which is what id suggest for you

 

[pippoph]

hcg is best used while on cycle and or a blast phase during the time your waiting for your test to clear. you really don't need hcg for a test only cycle unless your dead set on it. with test prop I run it during cycle 250iu twice a week until 4 days before you start pct. I add the blast phase if im using a compound very suppressive like npp or tren ace. my pct's were best when I used clomid at 50mg ED and nolva 20mg ED for 4 weeks. I wait 5 days after my last prop pin to start pct if im not doing a blast phase which is what id suggest for you

So I might do:
10 -12 weeks:
5 injections per week to 100mg
0.25/0.5 of ldex day
Nolvadex 10 mg a day? (or not?)

After the last injection before pct (for 5days)
hcg 500ui per day
PCT:
clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10/10/10

or
50/50/50/50 clomid without nolvadex
What do you think?

 

[KingBF]

So I might do:
10 -12 weeks:
5 injections per week to 100mg
0.25/0.5 of ldex day
Nolvadex 10 mg a day? (or not?)

After the last injection before pct (for 5days)
hcg 500ui per day
PCT:
clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10/10/10

or
50/50/50/50 clomid without nolvadex
What do you think?

12 weeks
150mg test prop EOD= 525wk
adex .25 eod and adjust up from there
no nolvadex while on cycle

pct is good with clomid and nolva together like you have dosed.

ok the HCG is best used on cycle at 250iu twice a week. just run it like that until 4 days before pct. like I said some people add a blast phase but for a test only cycle it is not needed. PCT starts 5 days after last test prop shot.