test cyp opinions

[Alinshop]

never heard of running clomid during a cycle. always hcg. once again bro-science...

 

[pippoph]

12 weeks
150mg test prop EOD= 525wk
adex .25 eod and adjust up from there
no nolvadex while on cycle

post cycle therapy (pct) is good with clomid and nolva together like you have dosed.

ok the HCG is best used on cycle at 250iu twice a week. just run it like that until 4 days before post cycle therapy (pct). like I said some people add a blast phase but for a test only cycle it is not needed. post cycle therapy (pct) starts 5 days after last test prop shot.

thanks!

another question
if I can not get adex, I can use atd on cycle?

 

[Smashed]

never heard of running clomid during a cycle. always hcg. once again bro-science...

From a Vet: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...one-best-testosterone-boosters-available.html First Post, clomid can be used instead of HCG. Shut down is shut down, HCG just keeps the nuts full, as does CLOMID. Not bro-science really, using it now.

If you take the time to read, you will see that Nolva also suppresses IGF levels. That's opposite of what we as lifters are trying to do. Hence why I recommended a clomid only PCT. To each his own though, no worries.

 

[Smashed]

thanks!

another question
if I can not get adex, I can use atd on cycle?

Also read more, the post cycle therapy (pct) stickie can be your friend. Aromasin is best for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) as it will not cause your body to rebound with High Estro when you come off prior to post cycle therapy (pct). Just trying to help.

Just making suggestions to ya. Listen, don't listen. I have a different approach from lots of research. When my nutritionist also tells me no Nolva, I listen. Test only cycle is not that harsh but your body will shut down its own production. Hence the testicular atrophy. Clomid and HCG will do the same thing. Clomid is easier to get I think from our sponsors.

 

[pippoph]

I read so much, and that's what always makes me think a lot.
A long time ago I read an article in which it was reported atd as the best element for a post cycle therapy (pct) effective (better than nolva and clomid).
If I am not against regulation to report what was written:

ATD offers several advantages over our traditional blackberries post cycle therapy (pct) drugs. Firstly, atd does not show any affinity for Increasing SHBG. That means That while test levels continue to Increase, there will be an abundance of free test. This Allows us to better maintain gains, as well as strength During post cycle therapy (pct).

Secondly, atd Has Been shown to be equally as productive as nolva and clomid in stimulating the release of GnRH, and Therefore, lh and fsh. Since atd Directly binds to the enzyme, there is a decrease in actual levels of circulating estrogen, this is akin to nolva and clomid's action of binding to the receptor, except That It will drastically reduce the chance of estrogen rebound.

Thirdly, atd has the ability to address the androgen feedback loop. This means atd That will block the pituitary from receiving the signals That tell it to stop producing gnrh. This Occurs When levels of androgens begin to Increase greatly. That means That the pituitary will continue to produce blackberries and more gnrh, Therefore blackberries and more lh and fsh. That will allow the testes to test blackberries, blackberries and do so rapidly.

As you can see, atd would be the better option for almost all post cycle therapy (pct) protocols. Where nolva supposedly "shines" is in its ability to allow for the production of new estrogen. This Allows for improvement in lipid profiles. This is, However, and ill Conceived advantage. At the steroidal, like atd, Also Allows for production of new estrogen. The only product I know of That does not allow for any Increase in circulating estrogen is arimidex.

So, what do we need? Well, ideally any cycle / post cycle therapy (pct) would include hcg. Since it is the only true lh mimitek out there, and when to used in the correct doses is unsurpassed in its ability to maintain testicular mass and function. However, since This Is not an option for everyone, we need something else. I would suggest the use of an ATD product in conjunction with a few other products. A sample might look like so:

75mg atd + 50mg dhea + 1.8g fenugreek + 600mg 6-oxo
50mg atd + 75mg dhea + 2.4g fenugreek + 600mg 6-oxo
25mg atd + 100mg dhea + 3g fenugreek + 400mg 6-oxo
25mg atd + 3.6g fenugreek + 200mg 6-oxo

The combination of 6-oxo and an Allows the atd atd to focus on the destruction of estrogens. The 6-oxo is then free to aid in the stimulation of lh and fsh. As neither 6-oxo or atd Increase sbgh, there is no concern for desensitization of the pituitary. Therefore, lh and overload of stimulation would be beneficial to our goals. If one Desired know, they could add a cortisol control product Also, most Notably 7-oxo-DHEA, as well as a natural test booster. Natural test boosters Generally Increase free test as well, and do not show any affinity for increasig sbgh. Therefore, even blackberries free test.

On a last note, ALR has Noted That studies show That atd can be used on cycle, at about 75mg per day in order to maintain healthy testicular mass and function. I am slightly leary of this hypothesis, but I have not tried it on my own. Since atd does address both feedback loops, it is possible That it could be used on cycle to maintain healthy levels of lh production, though I am not sure, and would not want someone on a strong cycle to try this out.

That's why I thought to atd.

 

[Smashed]

I read so much, and that's what always makes me think a lot.
A long time ago I read an article in which it was reported atd as the best element for a post cycle therapy (pct) effective (better than nolva and clomid).
If I am not against regulation to report what was written:



That's why I thought to atd.

I read a lot too, funny how it makes you change your mind the more you read. I just did a quick search and read this thread:http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/635517-why-not-nolvadex.html
It makes sense, for a Test only cycle I don't think you need both but to each his own. They're similar but not as in post cycle therapy (pct). I've been told Clomid only post cycle therapy (pct) by a vet and I stick with that. Like I said, to each his own. You're ATD with DHEA, Fenugreek and 6oxo seems to be a lot to take when you can take just Clomid or Clomid/Nolva combo.

Are you somewhere you can not get Clomid or Nolva?

 

[pippoph]

I am Italian . Test prop and hcg are easy to find.
Nolva clomid and aromasin are not easy to find (especially aromasin!)
THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO USE ATD (ai) DURING TEST CYCLE FOR PREVENT GYNO.
If you do not find alternatives will run the risk of ordering products for research use.

 

[Smashed]

Don't YELL at me . So since you're Italian I assume you are in Italy. Not sure about your laws, check with RUI to see if they ship to you.

 

[pippoph]

excuse . See I've tried, but can not find any document or law that prohibits the import of substances were found.
Among the options on the site of Rui, it seems that not send to Italy, but I found another site that sends in Italy. If you do not find solutions this is the only way.
If I could find is that clomid nolvadex, what could I use to replace aromasin during the cycle?

 

[Smashed]

LiquiDex or Letro

 

[pippoph]

thanks .
it's crazy to make a 12 weeks of prop 500 mg per week without ai?

 

[Dlok]

yo King Bf

ok so I have hit a wall and really frustrated. I have been on diet (carbs in the am, after 12 lean and green) and I have not lost anything. I am 260lbs 5'8" and at like 20% body fat. I have tried over the counter supps and shit dont work. I am massive in size and strength but cant get rid of the body fat.

I finally said F it and ordered some testosterone cypionate 250. my question is how should I cycle to get the best results. my goal is to retain size but cut.

currently at:

260 lbs
5'8"
20% BF
18 1/2" arms
18" neck
56" chest
cant measure my shoulders tape is not big enough
40" waist

my goals:

220lbs
10-12% BF
34-36" waist
19" arms
18"neck
58" chest

I dont want washboard abs so to say but enough to look good. I have a nice tire around my waist and I hate it.

diet is as follows;

7am 1/2 cup brown rice, 3 egg whites

9am 1/2 cup brown rice 3 egg whites

11am one scoop protein shake

1pm chicken salad (chicken, lettuce, tomatoes, cuccumbers, carrots and balsamic dressing)

3pm proetien shake

5pm the other half of my salad

7pm fish and veggies

9pm 3 egg whites

1 gal of water through out the day and been eating like this for 1 year now ( i have seen nutritionist and my doc)

 

[KingBF]

yo King Bf

ok so I have hit a wall and really frustrated. I have been on diet (carbs in the am, after 12 lean and green) and I have not lost anything. I am 260lbs 5'8" and at like 20% body fat. I have tried over the counter supps and shit dont work. I am massive in size and strength but cant get rid of the body fat.

I finally said F it and ordered some testosterone cypionate 250. my question is how should I cycle to get the best results. my goal is to retain size but cut.

currently at:

260 lbs
5'8"
20% BF
18 1/2" arms
18" neck
56" chest
cant measure my shoulders tape is not big enough
40" waist

my goals:

220lbs
10-12% BF
34-36" waist
19" arms
18"neck
58" chest

I dont want washboard abs so to say but enough to look good. I have a nice tire around my waist and I hate it.

diet is as follows;

7am 1/2 cup brown rice, 3 egg whites

9am 1/2 cup brown rice 3 egg whites

11am one scoop protein shake

1pm chicken salad (chicken, lettuce, tomatoes, cuccumbers, carrots and balsamic dressing)

3pm proetien shake

5pm the other half of my salad

7pm fish and veggies

9pm 3 egg whites

1 gal of water through out the day and been eating like this for 1 year now ( i have seen nutritionist and my doc)

what is your age? Have you had your natural levels checked? test, gh, thyroid ect... Cycling at that high of bf% is dangerous.

 

[Frank White]

KingBF has given you very solid advice sir...and your right, your English sucks! But since you say your Italian, was that to be expected? Just askin'...