Test/Deca/Dbol?

[Cakalac]

Was thinking of this cycle:

1-14 Test @500mg
1-12 Deca @ 350mg
4-8 Dbol@20mg/ed

Adex for Estro
Nolva for PCT
HCG at 250iu 2x/wk

Here's my question:

I haven't ran in 3 yrs. so is this overkill? Should I throw out Deca and run that on next cycle? I'd like to run the Dbol in the middle. Is that a problem or is 1-4 a must? I want to do enough to grow with proper training and diet but I don't want to use more compounds if I won't get that much out of it. I was going to just do Test &Dbol in the beginning.


Thanks for your help.

 

[palmers]

the ultimate bulker
you can run the dbol when ever people just run it at the beginning so they can have a kick start
fuck the world just get jacked!!!

 

[palmers]

also going to want clomid for pct tho

 

[Rumpy]

Agreed, you need clomid for PCT, and you'll also need a PA in a addition to the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for prolactin while on cycle. I'm using prami right now, but I here caber is just as good, (many say fewer sides). I would do the dbol up front to get you started, by 4-5 weeks in, you won't need it. Personally, I would bump test to 600 and deca to 400. Actually, I might trade deca for NPP. Wait, that is what I did.

 

[palmers]

Agreed, you need clomid for PCT, and you'll also need a PA in a addition to the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for prolactin while on cycle. I'm using prami right now, but I here caber is just as good, (many say fewer sides). I would do the dbol up front to get you started, by 4-5 weeks in, you won't need it. Personally, I would bump test to 600 and deca to 400. Actually, I might trade deca for NPP. Wait, that is what I did.

you don't think a gram of injectables a week is a lil high? since he has been of for a while?

 

[Nosy Parker]

Cycle seems alright, whether or not it is over kill really depends on what your cycle history looks like.

Just a few thoughts

1. Usually dbol is ran from the start as a kick start, however if you feel this is unnecessary you could just as well run it weeks 4-8. 20mg is pretty low though, have you used dbol in the past? If so what were your dosages

2. You may consider a front-load with the test, ie double dose the first pin date, if you aren't using the dbol as a kick start. So in this case it would be 1000mg.

3. What is your dose of Adex? You will most likely want to adjust this dose up for the 4 weeks of dbol as it heavily aromatizes.

4. This is a very suppressive cycle, I would recommend using both Clomid and Nolva as a PCT.

5. I would drop the hCG from the cycle and add it to your PCT in the form of 2000iu EOD for 20 days. Personally I find that post cycle hCG use in supra-therapeutic levels makes more logical sense, and is the preffered use among those in the medical community who have spoken out in regards to hCGs use when it comes to cycling. Think about it this way, 250iu is the standard dose for someone who is not only hypogonadal, but is NOT heavily suppressed. So logically we are comparing a supra-therapeutic dose of test (which suppresses) with a therapeutic dose of hCG (which promotes testicular function and hormone production). "If hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary gland". hCG is ineffective when androgen levels are high in the body, thus its use while on cycle may help retain testicular size, however it will not aid in problem of suppression. Using supra-therapeutic dosages post cycle will reduce recovery time, and increase testicular size and function.

Still, many people choose to use on cycle. The choice is yours to make so read up and make your own decision as to which makes most sense to you.

All the best,
Parker.

 

[Rumpy]

you don't think a gram of injectables a week is a lil high? since he has been of for a while?

I see your point. I'm running about 612 of test and 420 of NPP right now and I'm happy, but that's me, not him.

OP what are your stats? Height weight age etc

 

[Maintenance Man]

Ahhh, almost exactly my 1st cycle. Pure bliss good luck man! Classic bulker!!

 

[Metalhead]

My first one also minus the dbol. 600 test 400 deca. Great bulking cycle. The joint supoort is amazing, until you come off. Best of luck!

 

[Rumpy]

My first one also minus the dbol. 600 test 400 deca. Great bulking cycle. The joint supoort is amazing, until you come off. Best of luck!

You mean the day you go back into the gym and all the weights laugh at your joints and dare them to try to pick them up, while cackling and calling them foolish mortals. You mean that day.

 

[palmers]

yea my second cycle was test 750mg deca 450mg dbol 50mg.... extremely high but that's what u get for listening to a dealer eh... I gotta admit the the testosterone high was unbelievable. I picked up my teacher lol!! but the crash was unreal was suicidal and shit... what goes up must come down

edit* test 15 weeks, deca 13weeks, dbol first six weeks and last three weeks

 

[Metalhead]

You mean the day you go back into the gym and all the weights laugh at your joints and dare them to try to pick them up, while cackling and calling them foolish mortals. You mean that day.

Haha! Precisely. My favorite day. I thought I fucked something up then I realized my deca wore off

 

[Rumpy]

Haha! Precisely. My favorite day. I thought I fucked something up then I realized my deca wore off

And the only thing worse than thinking you have deca dick it when you realize, no, that's just how it works off cycle

 

[palmers]

And the only thing worse than thinking you have deca dick it when you realize, no, that's just how it works off cycle

why doesn't my dick feel like concrete anymore? is there something wrong with me!!!
why don't I want to have sex 5 times a day anymore now its only twice... I musta fucked something up!!!

 

[Hester]

Ahhh, almost exactly my 1st cycle. Pure bliss good luck man! Classic bulker!!

Great advice. Test only for 1st cycle

 

[Cakalac]

I have been on Dbol about 4 times but always ran 15mg. With that said cycles have changed a lot since I started back in 98. I know its different now. I think I have decided to go simple this time and do test @500 & Dbol @30mg for this one. Then maybe the next one run with Deca. Maybe tren and test next time. Seems like Clomid is best choice now vs Nolva for post cycle therapy (pct). Hopefully this will keep me from blowing up like a blow fish in short amount of time.

 

[Maintenance Man]

Great advice. Test only for 1st cycle

Ahhh I see u r upset with my post in your thread. Like I explained in my thread about my previous cycle, I did things the wrong way too young. And yes I'd like to do the same one again but after thinking about it, I'm going to do a test only for my 2nd cycle then move back to incorperating Dbol and/or deca/npp for later cycles. I don't claim I know everything, not even close. That's why I'm here, to learn.

 

[Hester]

How did you do with the dbol at 15mg? Estrogen and water retention issues? How were your strength gains?

 

[Cakalac]

Well I didn't have the joy of a wonderful site like this for my education then. I personally thought it was good. The pumps were insane like you see the guys talk about here. I was strong as a mule. I did get itchy nips but I was also on DECA as well. Even then I didn't know how to deal with it so I just pushed through. Knowing what I do now I probably wouldn't go below 20mgs.

 

[Rumpy]

And the only thing worse than thinking you have deca dick it when you realize, no, that's just how it works off cycle

If deca dick is caused by NPP, is it called NPP-PP?