Test E and Dbol - First Cycle

MassiveMutant

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Hey guys this is my first thread and first cycle. I will be running 40mgs of Dbol ED for 3.5 weeks and 250mgs of Test E two times per week for five weeks. I'm wondering if and what I should use for a PCT and if I should lengthen the time I will use the test. I plan to start my cycle on Monday an am very excited! Will keep updating results.
 
should definitely extend beyond 5 weeks for the test-e. bump it up to 10-14 weeks. just to clarify, you're planning on starting the test and dbol at the same time right?

1-12 Test-e 250 2ml per week
1-4 (3.5, whatever) Dbol 40mg ED
14-18 Clomid 100/50/50/25 (tapering your daily dose down each week)

do you have any Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand? might be a good idea to get ahold of some before cycling on if you don't have them already.
 
So i've decided to get another bottle of Test E so i can run it for 10 weeks, just took my first capsule of DBOL, hitting another capsule later on today.. and an injection of Test E. should i do 250mgs twice a week or 500mgs once per week? the bottle of DBOL i got is 25mgs per capsule so i decided to run 50mgs a day for 4 weeks.. any suggestions?
 
Split the test in to 2 pins a week. So 250mgs every 3.5 days.

Also, run the test for at LEAST 12 weeks. The difference between 10 weeks and 12 weeks can be 4-8bs of muscle.

Best of luck.
 
appreciate the feedback, do you think i should up my dosage of Dbol as the weeks go on or is 50mg ED enough? also should i run the Dbol for more than 4 weeks?
 
All of the above WTF ? No one knows a single thing about this guy and ur giving info ?

Full stats 1st then we can help.

Test only 1st cycle, geez people !
 
all i know is that 50mg dbol is way overkill. It's your first time taking it man, you'll grow fine even on 30mg. Are they tabs or caps?
 
All of the above WTF ? No one knows a single thing about this guy and ur giving info ?

Full stats 1st then we can help.

Test only 1st cycle, geez people !

I assumed when he started getting advice about where he was going wrong he would hold off on starting till he had everything under wraps.

I also assumed that vets would jump on that pretty quick so I just threw in what was most obvious which was that a 5 week cycle of a slow ester needed to be extended.

I gotta say it's kinda funny how sometimes people scream full stats but the recommendation never changes anyway. long ester test, 10 weeks minimum, 12-14 probably better.... Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and pct recommendations.... that's it.

I mean I understand the point of asking for info and how it can be an indicator of whether someone is ready or not in general, but let's be real about the fact that most people who have already procured their gear and are posting their first cycle plans, are gonna start the cycle whether they are told they aren't ready or not.

And I have yet to see any recommendations of deviations from the Test-e ~500mg/week for 10-14 weeks with the standard AI/PCT combos recommended to anyone, regardless of their stats or goals.

I guess I should've lead with "hold off on starting your cycle for a bit...." to be clear on that, but again I figured he would once the vets came in to try to help get him straightened out.
 
Yeah i figured i dont need to post my "stats" because i havent seen anybodys opinions change whether a guy is 5'7'' or 6'4'' of if the guy is 170 opposed to 220.. i started today with 50mgs of DBOL and 250mgs of test e, next poke on thursday. i'd like to know why 50mgs of dbol is way to much? and yes they are in capsules. i'm buying another bottle of test along with my pct.. just wondering if i could change to test cyp or test p? maybe even sus 250? and another question.. whats so important about doing a test e only cycle for my first one?
 
Switching from Test C to Test P can be done, you'll likely want to pin an extra time each week but you can do it.

Going to a blend like sust would also work, though I don't see that much of a need to. long ester to short ester makes more sense to me than long ester to long ester heavy long-short blend. i think sust is more long ester isn't it? maybe i'm wrong there, can't remember.

one of the things that makes sense about stats though is to get an overall idea of your body composition.

it would probably not change the recommendations 99% of the time for first cycle, but would be useful in tracking and helping you along (assuming you wanted the help) and in planning future cycles, etc.

test only first cycle makes sense for at least a couple of reasons.

first, you want to see how your body reacts to the base compound. how the sides hit, when the full effect of it kicks in, how you feel on it, etc. this will better help you plan and adjust in the future. you'll be able to better gauge WHICH other compounds to utilize. trial and error will still come into play, but you'll make more informed decisions and hopefully the trial and error will involve less error thus wasting less of your time and money.

additionally, many people who start are actually a ways off their natural barrier, and don't have enough muscle on their body to warrant using high doses and/or multiple compounds. if it is not necessary, you're just wasting money and making it harder to analyze your gains/sides.

the effect of 50mg of dbol will of course depend on your "stats," but for most people starting out, it is more than is necessarily needed. less muscle to work means the effects of a dose will go farther.

anyway, if you're interested in people helping you maximize your stuff, i'd go ahead and post your stats and focus on your non-aas factors: sleep, training and food. keep a close eye on those and your gains and tweak them as needed.

congrats on pinning! i think i might have started a few days ahead of you. but then again, i get my days mixed up.

by the way, this is my first cycle too so read what i write with that in mind... i've been reading up on this stuff for a while and think i have a fairly good grasp of the basics, but i don't have a wealth of experience to draw from or anything. everything, for me, is still hypothetical at this point.

keep us updated on the gains and what not





Yeah i figured i dont need to post my "stats" because i havent seen anybodys opinions change whether a guy is 5'7'' or 6'4'' of if the guy is 170 opposed to 220.. i started today with 50mgs of DBOL and 250mgs of test e, next poke on thursday. i'd like to know why 50mgs of dbol is way to much? and yes they are in capsules. i'm buying another bottle of test along with my pct.. just wondering if i could change to test cyp or test p? maybe even sus 250? and another question.. whats so important about doing a test e only cycle for my first one?
 
I assumed when he started getting advice about where he was going wrong he would hold off on starting till he had everything under wraps.

I also assumed that vets would jump on that pretty quick so I just threw in what was most obvious which was that a 5 week cycle of a slow ester needed to be extended.

I gotta say it's kinda funny how sometimes people scream full stats but the recommendation never changes anyway. long ester test, 10 weeks minimum, 12-14 probably better.... Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and post cycle therapy (pct) recommendations.... that's it.

I mean I understand the point of asking for info and how it can be an indicator of whether someone is ready or not in general, but let's be real about the fact that most people who have already procured their gear and are posting their first cycle plans, are gonna start the cycle whether they are told they aren't ready or not.

And I have yet to see any recommendations of deviations from the Test-e ~500mg/week for 10-14 weeks with the standard AI/post cycle therapy (pct) combos recommended to anyone, regardless of their stats or goals.

I guess I should've lead with "hold off on starting your cycle for a bit...." to be clear on that, but again I figured he would once the vets came in to try to help get him straightened out.

Yeah i figured i dont need to post my "stats" because i havent seen anybodys opinions change whether a guy is 5'7'' or 6'4'' of if the guy is 170 opposed to 220.. i started today with 50mgs of DBOL and 250mgs of test e, next poke on thursday. i'd like to know why 50mgs of dbol is way to much? and yes they are in capsules. i'm buying another bottle of test along with my post cycle therapy (pct).. just wondering if i could change to test cyp or test p? maybe even sus 250? and another question.. whats so important about doing a test e only cycle for my first one?

Since neither 1 of u 2 understand why we ask for full stats I'll explain.

1 Age obvious reasons
2 Weight to height ratio
3 BF%
4 Training history

If all that is in tact and ready to go, then we'll make sure ur diet is in check as this is the most important thing. Then we'll advise u on the Test C or E 500MG a week for min 12 weeks. If 1 of those 4 listed is off or the diet isn't in check we'll advise to not cycle and what u need to do to grow.

So in answer to both ur comments, full stats will make a difference on if we'll advise to cycle or not. It's quite obvious that ur gonna do what u want, especially b/c ur not bothering to post ur full stats. Prolly b/c ur not ready for gear and don't want to get flamed.
 
So in answer to both ur comments, full stats will make a difference on if we'll advise to cycle or not. It's quite obvious that ur gonna do what u want, especially b/c ur not bothering to post ur full stats. Prolly b/c ur not ready for gear and don't want to get flamed.
I do understand the importance of stats. And believe me, I understand the importance of diet in all of this.

I would have recommended that he not start his cycle, but I was giving him a recommendation to adjust how he was planning his cycle and, like I said, I figured he would hold off a bit while getting it sorted.

But, your final statement pretty much made my point about the irrelevancy of stats in *some* situations. That was that stats would only lead to telling someone to cycle or not. If you were going to tell them to cycle, the recommendation will always be the same. People who have already procured their gear, from what I've seen in my admittedly short time on these and other boards, will VERY RARELY be convinced not to start their cycle, although they do seem to be willing to throw out extra compounds, etc. *I do, however, question whether they might not be doing them anyway and just not posting it on here, and suspect that is often the case*

And MotorIHead, I don't doubt that you would be as thorough in your review and recommendation process as you outlined in your post, but frankly, most people skip the diet altogether or touch on it more as an afterthought. I know how crucial it is, but again, the bottom line is that many people just will not be convinced until they try things for themselves.

Those people will be here posting in 6 weeks about not seeing any gains and frustrated, and then they'll start REALLY getting on top of their diet, and will have wasted time and money but that's a road they often have to walk for themselves before they'll admit it isn't the right one to take.

Anyway, not really trying to sit around and argue with you, you're absolutely right about them being important and about needing to have everything else in check before starting.

I thought I touched on that point but obviously could have worded it better.
 
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