Test E and TBol cycle, stack with EQ?

[cjgo]

Want to start off by saying I'm 20 years old, 5'10 170 about 8% bf and have been lifting and dieting seriously since I was 16 hormone free. Made great gains and have achieved a great physique but I have hit a wall over the past 8 months now. I decided to start a beginner cycle to put on the weight and size. Background, I have had tendonitis in both my wrists (when I played hockey) and recently recovered in my right elbow. My plan is to run:

Test e 500mg/wk 10 weeks (pin M & F)

Tbol 40/60/60/40mg/wk 4 weeks

Adex 0.5mg EoD wk 2-12

post cycle therapy (pct) is Clomid
wk 12 @ 100mg/day
wk 16 @ 50mg/day

I am looking for advice here, not a lecture on how I'm too young to juice or what not because that won't help me, I have all the gear and have already started with Tbol and my first test e pin on Monday of this week. Now what I'm looking advice on it whether to run a low dosage of Equipoise (200mg/wk for 10 weeks starting friday) not for the gains of it but to increase collagen synthesis and promote stronger tendons as I feel like my body type is prone to tendon injuries and for longer lasting gains more solid gains?

Also side question: With this dosage of EQ is there likely risk of any sides (I've read 600mg/wk still shows little to no sides) and if so do I need a separate post cycle therapy (pct) or Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to counteract them (gyno ect) properly?

Advice and answers will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

 

[kaname]

I would drop the tbol and save it for a future cycle. See how your body responds to just the test. Add two weeks to your test cycle. If you are going to add EQ which it's no need to nor do I think you should (even though I did it as well as others), then you should up it to 400mg/wk (normal range is between 400mg - 600mg w/k. Might as well go on the low end of that). Add Nolva to your post cycle therapy (pct).

So recap: Add two weeks to your test cycle - instead of the 10 weeks, run it for 12. The 500mg/wk is fine. Move your post cycle therapy (pct) start date two weeks back to adjust for the added two weeks. Drop the tbol and save for a future cycle. If you run the EQ up it to 400mg/wk. Get some Nolva for post cycle therapy (pct).

I'm glad to hear you have your post cycle therapy (pct) and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) supplies on hand.

edit: Side note - There are risk of sides with anything. Even eating an almond. But that being said the adex and the post cycle therapy (pct) (w/ the added Nolva) that you are running for the test will be ok to handle the EQ. Dosages for the post cycle therapy (pct) and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will still be the same.

 

[kaname]

Just to add to my above post - I didn't look at your post cycle therapy (pct) numbers...well I did but my retard cycle is kicking in and I'm not sure what you mean by the way you wrote the post cycle therapy (pct) part of your cycle. It looks like you are running clomid 100mg for 4 weeks then 50mg for the 5th week. Anyway I'm not sure but to be safe in case I understood you wrong and with the added Nolva here is a setup (the link to the below post where I took it from is at the bottom):

Taken from THE-DET-OAK standard post cycle therapy (pct) post. Link to his post at the bottom.

Choices:

#1 clomid 50mg every day for 4-6 weeks.

#2 Torimefine 30-60mg every day for 4-6 weeks.

#3 Nolva 40mg for 14 days and then 20mg for 14-28 more days.

#4 clomid and Nolva combo.
clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10/10/10

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/595482-standard-post cycle therapy (pct)s.html

 

[airagee23]

run test e only. you dont need all that. You dont know whats gonna affect you when or if something goes wrong and your too young

 

[cjgo]

Thanks for the advice man but I am already started on the tbol and I don't exactly want it sitting around my house cause I don't know how long away i will be doing my next cycle and the only reason I'm gonna add Equipoise is to offset the negative collagen synthesis effects from the test e so I think i will stay very low and only run 200-300 mg/wk starting on monday,

and I meant for post cycle therapy (pct):

Week 12 100mg ED of Clomid
Week 13-16 50mg ED of Clomid

(Why is adding nolva a good idea?)


Additional question: If I end up running EQ 1 week past when I finish Test E would I start post cycle therapy (pct) 1 week after EQ 2 weeks after Test E or wait 2 weeks after EQ 3 weeks after Test E? (I can get my hands on more Test E if need be just trying not to make the cycle overly long).

 

[kaname]

(Why is adding nolva a good idea?)


Additional question: If I end up running EQ 1 week past when I finish Test E would I start post cycle therapy (pct) 1 week after EQ 2 weeks after Test E or wait 2 weeks after EQ 3 weeks after Test E? (I can get my hands on more Test E if need be just trying not to make the cycle overly long).

You shouldn't end up in that situation, you should be stopping your EQ two weeks before stopping your test (like deca).

Some use Clomid only as it is good at stimulating HPTA and your only using a light cycle anyway. However using them as a combo is tried and true. A better question would be why not use both? Either way though you should be fine as it is a light cycle.

 

[Fieldsy]

Don't run EQ. First cycles are to see how your body reacts to test. And test only. But since you're an "over achiever" and fucked up that experiment with your tbol, again, dont run EQ.

 

[unknown21]

Like everyone is saying save the EQ for a later cycle.

 

[cjgo]

Okay so Test E and Tbol only then saving EQ for a future cycle. Thanks for the input. And i will be getting some nolva to add to the clomid. At this dosage of test joint issues seem to not be an issue amoung users. Thanks for all the help though i appreciate it!