Test e, EQ and dbol cycle.

[feihungloco]

Hi there. I been lurking around this forum for a while now and decide to share my first cycle with you to make sure I am on track.
I am 36 years old, 169 pounds and 5' 7". THe main goal is to gain at least 10 pounds of quality muscle, perhaps lose 5 pounds of fat, gain strenght and endurance (reason I decide to add equipoise on week 3).
I started it 3 weeks ago and looks like this:
1-4 Dbols 30mg ed
1-12 Test enanthate 300ml once a week
3- 12 300ml EQ once a week

This is my very first cycle and I have a couple of questions:
1-I am on the 3rd week and my cardio, muscle resistance took a dive. Should I drop dbols from the cycle?
2-I got arimedex and nolva on hands but since I never felt any side effects I never added them so far. Should I keep like this or should I throw a few in there to keep it from not happening?
3-Will arimidex and nolva be sufficient for my PCT?
4- I got some 50 mg winstrol tabs. Should I add it to the cycle or better off leaving it alone?
So far no other problems. Got my wife to inject me on the ass cheeks and I have overcome my initial fear of needles .
Thanks for everyone on this board who take the time to help others.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum.....

 

[brolickant]

take out the dbol and EQ. you said you want to gain about 10lbs right and lose about 5lbs. save the EQ and dbol for a later cycle. you can gain just 10lbs by using test its self.

 

[juced_porkchop]

i woild use tbol because it has less bloat.
dich EQ.
also i think your expecting too much. worry about dropping 5 pound ether before or after not during or you will scrw yourself both ways in terms of results. eather cut or bulk. as if you choose one way you will get better results. then just a bit of each.

 

[Mr. Hate]

Up dbol to 50mg. Personally I hate eq and will never use it. Save the Winstrol (winny) for the end of your cycle. Dropp the eq get deca. Up the test to 500 to 600. Arimidex isn't really a good Aromatase inhibitor (AI). U get a rebound effect when coming off. Exemestane or aifm is much better choice.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Up dbol to 50mg. Personally I hate eq and will never use it. Save the Winstrol (winny) for the end of your cycle. Dropp the eq get deca. Up the test to 500 to 600. Arimidex isn't really a good Aromatase inhibitor (AI). U get a rebound effect when coming off. Exemestane or aifm is much better choice.

Terrible advise for his FIRST cycle.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

0.8 cc of test-e twice a week. for 10 weeks.

clomid for 18 day. 50mg/ED 10 days after last jab. that's all
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you're sometimes amazing guys. no oral in first cyle. do DHT, no 5 alpha-androstren, no 17 appha-akilen, no 19 nor... nothing...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

0.8 cc of test-e twice a week. for 10 weeks.

clomid for 18 day. 50mg/ED 10 days after last jab. that's all
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you're sometimes amazing guys. no oral in first cyle. do DHT, no 5 alpha-androstren, no 17 appha-akilen, no 19 nor... nothing...

Kane why Pct 10 days after last jab-most say 14 days after last jab. what is benifit please explain. Thanks.

 

[feihungloco]

THanks for the replies guys.
The reason I thought about EQ is so I can keep my endurance/cardio up for an upcoming fight. I also heard it will keep my tendons strong.
Even if the mass gains are not substantial I would be happy enough with the extra strenght and endurance for now and do a bulking cycle later on.

 

[Scarz]

Your cycle doesn't make any sence to me at all

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Kane why Pct 10 days after last jab-most say 14 days after last jab. what is benifit please explain. Thanks.

Bump.

 

[feihungloco]

Thanks for the reply Scarz. Could you be more specific why it does not make sense to you?
I am looking for a cycle that will help me with strength and endurance for fighting while adding a bit of mass.
Please let me know your thoughts on that.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Bump.

14 days is maximal time you could let after enanth ester. it's only almost 5-7 halflife... but after 10 days the testo level is already very low and it's good to start PCT.

it could vary. i admit. but 10 days is sure.

some time to long off period before pct could bring psycholic and some physiologic sides...

after read blood-reports before PCT with enanthat is realy seems. than 10 is OK.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

14 days is maximal time you could let after enanth ester. it's only almost 5-7 halflife... but after 10 days the testo level is already very low and it's good to start post cycle therapy (pct).

it could vary. i admit. but 10 days is sure.

some time to long off period before post cycle therapy (pct) could bring psycholic and some physiologic sides...

after read blood-reports before post cycle therapy (pct) with enanthat is realy seems. than 10 is OK.

Thanks Kane for clearing that up. That makes sense.

 

[Scarz]

Test enth's half-life is 10.5 days.

Starting pct 14 days after the last test enth injection is the rule of thumb.

 

[Scarz]

Thanks for the reply Scarz. Could you be more specific why it does not make sense to you?
I am looking for a cycle that will help me with strength and endurance for fighting while adding a bit of mass.
Please let me know your thoughts on that.

Well bro, first of all this is your first cycle. For this reason alone you'd want to use the least amount of compounds so that a) you will know how your body reacts to what compound and how much your body can handle what b) you will make great gains which will work to your advantage as it's best to use the least amount of compounds in your first cycle.

Secondly, I don't think it's humanly possible to gain 10lbs of pure muscle on any cycle. You can make relatively lean gains and even shed some fat simultaneously, but not 10lbs of pure muscle. So let's say you want to make 10lbs of lean gains and shed some fat too.

Don't make it over-kill on your first cycle. Test alone for your goals are very realistic. Eq usually kicks in around 4-6 weeks. Running eq for 9 weeks is not worth running eq at all. Eq should be ran for a minimum of 12 weeks from 400-600mg/week. And you're running test at 300mg per week. It's always recommended to run test at 500 because at 300 and 500 the side effects are the same, and the only difference would be much better gains. Unless you're predisposed to hairloss, 500mg per week would be very ideal for a first cycle of test. Dbol on first cycles is liked to kick start the gains because test enth also kicks in around week 5, give or take.

That being said, it would be better if you altered your cycle slightly.

Wks 1-12
test enth @500mg/wk
Wks 1-12
Eq @400mg/wk

OR

Wks 1-6
Dbol @25mg/wk
Wks 1-12
test enth @500/wk

OR

Wks 1-12
Test enth @500mg/wk

With all these, pct should begin at week 14 from your last injection for 4 weeks and look something like this: PCT - Nolva 40/40/20/20

There's no reason to compound all 3 into your first cycle. test enth alone will give you the results you're looking for to a minimum! You can expect 15-20lbs and lose some fat from test enth cycle alone. And if you can't wait for test enth to kick in then dbol first 6 weeks will be fine to jump start gains.

But regardless of what you use, your diet is the most important factor to achieve the results you're looking for. I hope I answered your question.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

week 15-doing it at week 14 would mean you only waited a week.

 

[Scarz]

week 15-doing it at week 14 would mean you only waited a week.

yeh i edited it. i missed that one thnx

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

No prob-keep the info flowing-Im an addict for this kind of knowledge right now.

 

[feihungloco]

Thanks Scarz. This is some very good advice and I appreciate the amount of effort you put in this explanation. I will rethink this whole thing and make the necessary changes. I will keep you posted. To all who replied, thanks again.