Test e or tbol only for first cycle?

[john283]

Hey everyone, this will be a long post but that's due to all of the questions I have from the bit of researching I've done.

Option 1:
Test E 500mg weekly split into two doses weeks 1-12
Hcg 250iu twice weekly weeks 1-12
Arimidex on standby. .25mg eod when itchy nips occur

PCT weeks 14-17:
Nolva 40/40/20/2
Clomid 100/100/50/50

Questions on this cycle, should Arimidex be used from week one until the ester is out of your system (week 14) or should you start a couple weeks into it and stop at week 12 when you stop taking the test?

Option 2:
Weeks 1-8 Turanabol 40mg going up to 60mg every day
Weeks 1-8 Arimidex on standby. .25mg eod when itchy nips occur
Liver protectors week 1-8
Taurine on standby for pumps

PCT weeks 14-17:
Nolva 40/40/20/2
Clomid 100/100/50/50




The reason I consider an oral cycle is because I've seen logs with people gaining 8-12lb of retainable gains with no sides due to no aromatization. On one side, people who ran tbol alone say they did not get shut down and on the other side, people say never to run an oral alone because it WILL shut you down.

I wanted to dip my feet into AAS slowly, test e I reckon would give 15-20lb of gains so I figured since tbol is milder, it'd be a good way to start. I'm 20 years old (a few years too early) so I didn't want to use any test.

Any advice on which cycle I should run and whether any changes are necessary? Thanks!

 

[john283]

Forgot to mention, I also was considering a 6 week test prop cycle. It seems that it's easier to recover from since it's a shorter period of time (I don't mind the frequency of injections). Any validation of an easier recovery from test p over the 12 weeks of test e?

 

[Manski]

Test e only for first cycle. Adex in my opinion should be used from week one till bout 3 days before you start pct. Some guys do start the adex a few weeks into it but safer to start from week one. Liver care ( NAC ) from week one.

 

[Megatron28]

Since you are considering an oral only cycle, I am left to presume that you are female. Surely a male would not consider running an oral-only cycle when he knows it will shut down his natty testosterone.

Those are pretty high doses for a female. Are you aware of the virilization risks you are running? For example, enlarged clitoris. Facial hair. Deepening voice. etc.

 

[Megatron28]

All, what is your age, weight, height and body fat%?

 

[john283]

I'm 20 years old, male, 5"10 and 185lb at 14% body fat

 

[Megatron28]

I'm 20 years old, male, 5"10 and 185lb at 14% body fat

Males need testosterone. Orals shut down your natty T which means you don't have any T in your body. Males cannot run an oral-only cycle. Man up to injections or this isn't the game for you. Please read the Sticky threads.

You are too young to cycle anyway. You brain/endocrine system are still developing. Running a cycle during that development phase could be very detrimental.

 

[john283]

Thanks for the quick response, out of test e at 500mg and test prop at 100mg EOD, which would be safer? I know prop would require more pinning but it'd be a shorter cycle so would it be easier for a 20 year old to recover from? Damage will probably occur to the HPTA system but is there any way to minimize it other than avoid gear altogether?

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks for the quick response, out of test e at 500mg and test prop at 100mg EOD, which would be safer? I know prop would require more pinning but it'd be a shorter cycle so would it be easier for a 20 year old to recover from? Damage will probably occur to the HPTA system but is there any way to minimize it other than avoid gear altogether?

Neither. Testosterone is testosterone. They are the same. They just have different esters and therefore different half lives.


You don't have to avoid gear altogether. Just wait until you are 25 years old and fully developed. Steroids will be there for you when the time is right and we will be here to help you run a good cycle and get the most out of it

 

[Onk]

Thanks for the quick response, out of test e at 500mg and test prop at 100mg EOD, which would be safer? I know prop would require more pinning but it'd be a shorter cycle so would it be easier for a 20 year old to recover from? Damage will probably occur to the HPTA system but is there any way to minimize it other than avoid gear altogether?

You need to weigh these choices up
1/ You wait until 25 and then start cycling, you can use these years to get more knowledge and be way ahead of anyone else by that time you look to start. You may feel a little left out now or even saddened, but it'll pass as will the 5 years....very quickly

2/ You start now and do a cycle or two, you may stuff it up a bit and have a few complications. You run the possibility that you'll stuff up your natural testosterone production and have to inject testosterone (TRT) for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. Are you ready to set yourself on a path that sees you injecting once or twice a week for the rest of your life to maintain just natural levels?

Imo, wait 5 years, it will pass quickly and at 20, you're at your best years for sleeping around, eating lots of meals, working out without as many serious family commitments etc.
Enjoy it while it lasts

 

[Therealkozmo]

How about you explain why a cycle is such a necessity that you want to risk a broken dick. I'm just curious. When I was told I could keep my hair but fin might kill my dick. Guess what I said. "Pass the razor

 

[Buzzbait]

How about you explain why a cycle is such a necessity that you want to risk a broken dick. I'm just curious. When I was told I could keep my hair but fin might kill my dick. Guess what I said. "Pass the razor

That's fucking awesome