Test/Tren/Deca/Dbol cycle question?

[6Beast6]

Ive got a buddy on this cycle and was basically wondering what he should do?

Stats:

6'4" 280lbs
20% BF
Has ran a few test/dbol cycles
Dosages: Test/deca/tren - 250 mg/wk each
Unsure on dbol dose.
Has been on for 2 weeks and the dbol a week and a half.

Now I know that there is a bunch of mixed opinions on the deca and tren together so thats why I'm asking. It is fairly low dosed overall so surely he wont crash and burn right away. I was thinking maybe raise the test to 500-750 mg/wk and the deca to 400 mg/wk and just drop the tren all together to be safe and run that for like 15-20 weeks? He will run dbol about 4-5 weeks. If you guys could chime in that would be awesome, hes a buddy and I dont want him to shutdown like everyone says happens.

 

[halfwit]

Hmm, I see:

AAS

AAS

Oral AAS

AAS

Where's that Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and dopamine agonist? Do we know what these are...?

Better question, why is your 'buddy' not on here asking about this stuff, yet you are? I personally like to know as much as I can before I start putting stuff in my body; especially with a needle.

My .02c

 

[6Beast6]

I appreciate the concern. Honestly, Im sure he doesn't know a fraction of the things he should before he starts a cycle but I cant stop him so instead I will provide knowledge and advice to him in order to keep him on track and safe. I am no expert so that is why I'm seeking this knowledge through the experts I know that lurk on here. If you have and ideas to share it will be greatly appreciated. The info provided is all I have attained from him without seeming invading of his privacy so going off of what you see here can you consult something for me to say to him? Advice on what to add/drop?

 

[halfwit]

This his first cycle? Is he running an AI/DA?

AI: Reduces the amount of estrogen converted from testosterone. This is what causes acne, elevated blood pressure, swelling/bloat of the feet/face/hands/etc, prostate problems, BOOBS, and many more nasty side effects. Arimidex, aromasin, letrozole.

Dopamine agonist: Useful in combating the elevation of prolactin, which is released as a reaction to 19-nortestosterone derivatives such as nandrolone decanoate or trenbolone. While keeping estrogen in check is the most important part as it can help increase prolactin levels faster, PRL can elevate independently as well. Side effects of elevated prolactin would be lactation of the nipples, semi-soft erections, a lack of libido, and sluggishness.

Honestly, I would have him abort this cycle until he has a clue what is going on. You shouldn't be having to do this research for him, which only leaves me guessing on how he's maintaining his diet/training. Steroids aren't a magic pill that just throws mass on a person, they require you to have a good diet and a consistent training program. I don't even want to ask his age, as I fear we're dealing with someone far too young for AAS.

The stickies (at the top of this forum) will provide a wealth of information that is easily accessible and should be the first thing folks read before they even THINK of touching AAS.

My .02c

 

[Maintenance Man]

Shutdown happens no matter what. If you inject steroids, it will happen. Now to the degree of how long you might be shutdown for is different for everyone. Hence the risks of AAS. You could recover fine after 10 cycles or never recover after one. No way to tell man.

 

[6Beast6]

This his first cycle? Is he running an AI/DA?

AI: Reduces the amount of estrogen converted from testosterone. This is what causes acne, elevated blood pressure, swelling/bloat of the feet/face/hands/etc, prostate problems, BOOBS, and many more nasty side effects. Arimidex, aromasin, letrozole.

Dopamine agonist: Useful in combating the elevation of prolactin, which is released as a reaction to 19-nortestosterone derivatives such as nandrolone decanoate or trenbolone. While keeping estrogen in check is the most important part as it can help increase prolactin levels faster, PRL can elevate independently as well. Side effects of elevated prolactin would be lactation of the nipples, semi-soft erections, a lack of libido, and sluggishness.

Honestly, I would have him abort this cycle until he has a clue what is going on. You shouldn't be having to do this research for him, which only leaves me guessing on how he's maintaining his diet/training. Steroids aren't a magic pill that just throws mass on a person, they require you to have a good diet and a consistent training program. I don't even want to ask his age, as I fear we're dealing with someone far too young for AAS.

The stickies (at the top of this forum) will provide a wealth of information that is easily accessible and should be the first thing folks read before they even THINK of touching AAS.

My .02c

Excellent post.

Now as far as AI... thats a negative ghostrider. I pushed this on him pretty hard and he exclaimed he had never taken it before so Im going to just keep stressing him about it till he understands. I feel like he has basic knowledge of the subject. He even pointed out how he knew tren and deca are a no no which boggles me why he wouldn't be taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I recommended Arimidex if he decides to. In regards to dropping anything I doubt he will just completely drop the cycle so I'm going to tell him to drop the tren and get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) asap. Im not sure on his age, mid 20's though. He also displays some sort of willpower with his diet as he recently dropped 50 pounds. He is probably not ready for a cycle like this yet but he is interested in everything I have to say and is eager to pick my brain. I recommended him to make a profile on here and told him anything I've learned has been off of here. Thanks for the input gentlemen. Much appreciated.

 

[halfwit]

Excellent post.

Now as far as AI... thats a negative ghostrider. I pushed this on him pretty hard and he exclaimed he had never taken it before so Im going to just keep stressing him about it till he understands. I feel like he has basic knowledge of the subject. He even pointed out how he knew tren and deca are a no no which boggles me why he wouldn't be taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I recommended Arimidex if he decides to. In regards to dropping anything I doubt he will just completely drop the cycle so I'm going to tell him to drop the tren and get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) asap. Im not sure on his age, mid 20's though. He also displays some sort of willpower with his diet as he recently dropped 50 pounds. He is probably not ready for a cycle like this yet but he is interested in everything I have to say and is eager to pick my brain. I recommended him to make a profile on here and told him anything I've learned has been off of here. Thanks for the input gentlemen. Much appreciated.

D'oh! Well, you can only lead a horse to water as they say. You can't make em drink it.

Unfortunately, he's in for a world of hurt as test goes up - so does estrogen. If that's not in control, he's going to be lucky to not only keep that gyno at bay, but to even be able to achieve an erection of any meaningful value. Sadly, you can only tell someone so much and if they can't make the smart choice, they have to learn from bad ones.

At least you've been a good friend and have tried to educate him. That does speak volumes about your character, shame he doesn't listen to you a bit better.

 

[MustangDX]

I appreciate the concern. Honestly, Im sure he doesn't know a fraction of the things he should before he starts a cycle but I cant stop him so instead I will provide knowledge and advice to him in order to keep him on track and safe. I am no expert so that is why I'm seeking this knowledge through the experts I know that lurk on here. If you have and ideas to share it will be greatly appreciated. The info provided is all I have attained from him without seeming invading of his privacy so going off of what you see here can you consult something for me to say to him? Advice on what to add/drop?

Is this guy your boyfriend? If so, just break up with him. Your doing all the homework for him, he doesn't deserve you...