Testosterone: How high is too high?

[Roush]

^^. Exactly .. Some guys think that if they take low dosage test, like 100 mg a week for example,, that that will be easier to recover from,, then say 1000mg a week. But it does not matter the dosage, hpta is equally shut down on either dosage and recovery will be exactly the same*

If your gonna shut yourself down on a cycle and have to recover anyhow, you might as well make it worth it and run a significant dosage to warrant gains (as long as you can keep the secondary sides at bay and not go beyond diminishing returns)

* only factor that would make a difference would be length of time,, eg., running a 6 week cycle vs running a 14 week cycle

 

[Bloody Q]

^^. Exactly .. Some guys think that if they take low dosage test, like 100 mg a week for example,, that that will be easier to recover from,, then say 1000mg a week. But it does not matter the dosage, hpta is equally shut down on either dosage and recovery will be exactly the same*

If your gonna shut yourself down on a cycle and have to recover anyhow, you might as well make it worth it and run a significant dosage to warrant gains (as long as you can keep the secondary sides at bay and not go beyond diminishing returns)

* only factor that would make a difference would be length of time,, eg., running a 6 week cycle vs running a 14 week cycle

So, why people take high doses PCT if they take high doses AAS? PCT should be same?

 

[Roush]

So, why people take high doses PCT if they take high doses AAS? PCT should be same?

PCT is PCT,, it should always be pretty much the same protocol every time,. the only changing factor is WHEN to start your PCT based on the compounds and esters ran on the cycle,, but other then that PCT is always the same

 

[Bloody Q]

PCT is PCT,, it should always be pretty much the same protocol every time,. the only changing factor is WHEN to start your PCT based on the compounds and esters ran on the cycle,, but other then that PCT is always the same

Nolvadex: 20/20/20/20
Clomid: 25/25/25/25

Is that enough?

 

[Hypnotix]

Nolvadex: 20/20/20/20
Clomid: 25/25/25/25

Is that enough?

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

 

[Hypnotix]

As shown above, that's a pretty standard PCT. Some do 50x4 with Clomid but it doesn't hurt to do a 100 week.

HPTA is like a light switch. Only goes on and off. There is no dimmer setting. Turning the light off is doing AAS, only the switch breaks in the process. You will need tools to fix what makes the switch work, before it can turn the lights on again.

Same break, same tools everytime.

 

[Bloody Q]

As shown above, that's a pretty standard PCT. Some do 50x4 with Clomid but it doesn't hurt to do a 100 week.

HPTA is like a light switch. Only goes on and off. There is no dimmer setting. Turning the light off is doing AAS, only the switch breaks in the process. You will need tools to fix what makes the switch work, before it can turn the lights on again.

Same break, same tools everytime.

No need high doses man. 100 mg clomid is high.

 

[steve23]

Very nice man, congratulations! I was very curious about that part. I will be sure to keep that dosing in my head for future reference.

What kept you from trying to do a full-on trial recovery? (HCG , Clomid , Tamoxifen) Clearly it worked, not questioning that!.. I guess I just worry about doing that and going too low, and long enough that low to feel like crap again. How was your experience in that regard?

I followed that protocol because I was not doing it on my own. I was working with a fertility doctor who was constantly running test and giving me my meds. Also, I had already run the whole hcg clomid etc. post cycle and didn't have any test done for about a year after. When I did, zero count. Total shock to me. Thought I was never going to have kids.