Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and Gyno

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My_Pitch27

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TRT and Gyno

Question...

If my gyno (puffy nips, small lumps) clears with my current protocol - Raloxifene 60mg/day and Letro taper up, hold at 2.5mg/day taper down, can I start testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) safely without worrying about gyno popping back up again? Or will it always be a constant balancing act?

Logically, I feel like I would just need a double dose of adex so rather than .5mg 2-3x week for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I'd do .5mg eod?

Help me out here....
Thanks
 
why would you wanna go on TRT???? Just do a huge ass cycle. Like 750mg a Test a week, or somethin like that.
 
We're you running the cycle like you should? With an AI?

What is your bf%?

Do you know what your test levels are naturally that you might even need TRT?

The lower dose of test should decrease chance of gyno coming back but I wouldn't want to be in testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) unless my natural test levels were below 600 or so.
 
Going on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with a predisposition for gyno issues will probably create a balancing act. if you keep yuor testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol consistant over time, it is not that hard to figure out how much Aromatase inhibitor (AI) you will need. Bloodwork will enable you to diel things in pretty close.
 
DapperSapper said:
We're you running the cycle like you should? With an AI?
Yes, I was running the cycle with Arimidex.

What is your bf%?
Roughly 15%

Do you know what your test levels are naturally that you might even need TRT?
Natty test levels fall within 500-600ish range, not great but not bad either

The lower dose of test should decrease chance of gyno coming back but I wouldn't want to be in testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) unless my natural test levels were below 600 or so.
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Why do people make testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) out to be some death sentence? I understand you have to do constant bloodwork, monitor bp, take a handful of medications, but you get to have test levels of an 18year old forever...I duno
 
methos said:
Going on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with a predisposition for gyno issues will probably create a balancing act. if you keep yuor testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol consistant over time, it is not that hard to figure out how much Aromatase inhibitor (AI) you will need. Bloodwork will enable you to diel things in pretty close.
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This is what I had figured but I wanted to get opinions from guys like you on the board, who are on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Thank you...
 
My_Pitch27 said:
This is what I had figured but I wanted to get opinions from guys like you on the board, who are on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Thank you...
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You are going to have the same predisposition as you had previously. However the real question isn't just did you take Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with your cycle, it's what did your cycle look like? Drugs, doses, frequency?

The second question is, why are you asking about TRT? Have you been diagnosed as having low test?
 
totalburnout said:
You are going to have the same predisposition as you had previously. However the real question isn't just did you take Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with your cycle, it's what did your cycle look like? Drugs, doses, frequency?
It was a basic cycle, test c below 500mg, adex .5mg 3x week, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500iu 2x week... I probably should have just upped my adex and it would have settled but I was an idiot and aborted

The second question is, why are you asking about TRT? Have you been diagnosed as having low test?
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I'm not currently on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because I'm still recovering from my aborted cycle. I'm approximately 5 weeks post PCT and still have high estrogen, LH, FSH and Test levels. And battling a bit of gyno with a letro/ raloxifene combo. Once that is all sorted out, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) - here I come....natty levels are in the 500-600 range, not bad, but not that great either.
 
My_Pitch27 said:
I'm not currently on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because I'm still recovering from my aborted cycle. I'm approximately 5 weeks post PCT and still have high estrogen, LH, FSH and Test levels. And battling a bit of gyno with a letro/ raloxifene combo. Once that is all sorted out, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) - here I come....natty levels are in the 500-600 range, not bad, but not that great either.
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I don't know if you want to commit to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with natural levels that high my man. If you're gyno prone, you will need to be more diligent as totalburnout mentioned - but at the doses you're taking on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), there isn't as much of a battle as one would find on an AAS cycle. Still hoping you figure out what the heck happened with your previous cycle! My mind is still blown trying to figure that out... :eek:
 
halfwit said:
I don't know if you want to commit to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with natural levels that high my man. If you're gyno prone, you will need to be more diligent as totalburnout mentioned - but at the doses you're taking on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), there isn't as much of a battle as one would find on an AAS cycle. Still hoping you figure out what the heck happened with your previous cycle! My mind is still blown trying to figure that out... :eek:
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Thanks halfwit- I know man...and my levels are still all over the map. Dropped the Tamoxifen started the Raloxifene and doing a letro protocol. I'll have updates on blood work shortly... Thanks for following the dilemma. haha.
 
My_Pitch27 said:
I'm not currently on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because I'm still recovering from my aborted cycle. I'm approximately 5 weeks post post cycle therapy (pct) and still have high estrogen, LH, FSH and Test levels. And battling a bit of gyno with a letro/ raloxifene combo. Once that is all sorted out, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) - here I come....natty levels are in the 500-600 range, not bad, but not that great either.
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So you're asking why people are acting as though testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is a death sentence yet you're not on TRT? Aren't you feeling awful about now with gyno? What you did was essentially the same thing as a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) program. When you're natural, you don't have to worry about gyno, or if you brought your meds with you, if you have needles, if your doctor is going to prescribe what you want/need, how long will your doctor do that for, how long will you have insurance, etc etc.

This isn't a glorious process. At 500-600 at a natural level, consider yourself lucky. Guys that hit a 1200 T level with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), drop off to that 500-600 after a week. Many doctors won't even allow you to be above 500-600. When you're higher, you have to worry about hematocrit, estrogen and cholesterol levels (some aromatose inhibitors negatively impact cholesterol).

Does that sound like a whole lot of fun to you? You're looking for a glorified cycle. No reasonable doctor will do that for you. There's no telling how long the online labs will last, so you can't count on that for life.

Blast 2 weeks of hCG.
4 weeks of clomid, nolvadex and aromasin.
See where your natural levels are after that.
 
totalburnout said:
So you're asking why people are acting as though testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is a death sentence yet you're not on TRT? Aren't you feeling awful about now with gyno? What you did was essentially the same thing as a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) program. When you're natural, you don't have to worry about gyno, or if you brought your meds with you, if you have needles, if your doctor is going to prescribe what you want/need, how long will your doctor do that for, how long will you have insurance, etc etc.

This isn't a glorious process. At 500-600 at a natural level, consider yourself lucky. Guys that hit a 1200 T level with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), drop off to that 500-600 after a week. Many doctors won't even allow you to be above 500-600. When you're higher, you have to worry about hematocrit, estrogen and cholesterol levels (some aromatose inhibitors negatively impact cholesterol).

Does that sound like a whole lot of fun to you? You're looking for a glorified cycle. No reasonable doctor will do that for you. There's no telling how long the online labs will last, so you can't count on that for life.

Blast 2 weeks of hCG.
4 weeks of clomid, nolvadex and aromasin.
See where your natural levels are after that.
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I have to disagree with some of your assertions Total. I don't view testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as a death sentence. For me it was a life saver. Of course I would rather have my natty T back; but life without it wasn't much of a life at all. I literally believe that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) saved my life.

As for levels, my Primary Care doc just wants me to stay in the normal range. He has let me "play" with my dosages of test and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to find the balance. My most recent blood test put my trough TT at 1184 (348-1197). My E2 is in the 30's. Cholesterol is good. My hematocrit is fine and I don't ever have to donate blood to manage it -- at least a year into it. I feel really good right now and my doc is happy. I inject 100mg of test cyp every 3.5 days so my peak TT is coming in a little above the normal range. We all know how hard it is to find a good doc. I was fortunate enough to have a doc that was willing to work with me. I have been seeing him for the last 17 years so I think we have a pretty good relationship. Not perfect, but good. My point is that the good doctors will work with you

On a different note, knowing what I know now, I don't think I would go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with natty T in the 500-600 range.
 
totalburnout said:
So you're asking why people are acting as though testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is a death sentence yet you're not on TRT? Aren't you feeling awful about now with gyno? What you did was essentially the same thing as a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) program. When you're natural, you don't have to worry about gyno, or if you brought your meds with you, if you have needles, if your doctor is going to prescribe what you want/need, how long will your doctor do that for, how long will you have insurance, etc etc.
I don't feel awful about my gyno because I'm doing what I believe is necessary to reverse it or at least minimize it. Worst case scenario, I get the surgery and keep it moving.

This isn't a glorious process. At 500-600 at a natural level, consider yourself lucky. Guys that hit a 1200 T level with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), drop off to that 500-600 after a week. Many doctors won't even allow you to be above 500-600. When you're higher, you have to worry about hematocrit, estrogen and cholesterol levels (some aromatose inhibitors negatively impact cholesterol).
I agree 500-600 isn't bad, but does anybody factor in symptoms as well as genetics? My buddy at the gym has natty levels at 800 and still carries a nice layer of flab, despite dieting...

Does that sound like a whole lot of fun to you? You're looking for a glorified cycle. No reasonable doctor will do that for you. There's no telling how long the online labs will last, so you can't count on that for life.
IT sounds a hell of a lot better than declining testosterone levels as I age, lack of ability to keep the boy up for my girl, constant mental fog, and doctors pushing anti-depressants on me.

Blast 2 weeks of hCG.
4 weeks of clomid, nolvadex and aromasin.
See where your natural levels are after that.
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No thank you.
 
You don't have mental fog from low T at 600 - it's likely lack of sleep or a poor diet. Your friend doesn't have a layer of flab at 800 because of low T - it's his diet.

You're looking for solutions where a problem doesn't exist. You're going to be disappointed when you see the results. It's tough to discern when your T levels are 600 or they're 1400. As long as you're not 100-400ish, your issues won't be from low T. I speak from experience. I could not believe where my peak levels were. I thought they were half of what they actually were.
 
Megatron28 said:
I have to disagree with some of your assertions Total. I don't view testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as a death sentence. For me it was a life saver. Of course I would rather have my natty T back; but life without it wasn't much of a life at all. I literally believe that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) saved my life.

As for levels, my Primary Care doc just wants me to stay in the normal range. He has let me "play" with my dosages of test and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to find the balance. My most recent blood test put my trough TT at 1184 (348-1197). My E2 is in the 30's. Cholesterol is good. My hematocrit is fine and I don't ever have to donate blood to manage it -- at least a year into it. I feel really good right now and my doc is happy. I inject 100mg of test cyp every 3.5 days so my peak TT is coming in a little above the normal range. We all know how hard it is to find a good doc. I was fortunate enough to have a doc that was willing to work with me. I have been seeing him for the last 17 years so I think we have a pretty good relationship. Not perfect, but good. My point is that the good doctors will work with you

On a different note, knowing what I know now, I don't think I would go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with natty T in the 500-600 range.
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I don't think it's a death sentence, I was restating the OP's question of 'why does everyone act like testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is a death sentence?' The answer is it can breath new life into a person that has low T but really won't offer some huge benefit to those without low T. It's not some instant, long term body building cycle.
 
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