Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) new ,Young, and cycle.

[Dcrazy]

TRT new ,Young, and cycle.

Well, guys I'm new here. I kind of have a two way question. First relates to TRT. I don't even know if I came to the right boards for this, or this should be on the steroid forum.

Anyway, I was going to start doing peptides and a first light AAS cycle. Of course, being jittery about needles, i looked at ana Anavar (var) for some time. Well, I had a surgery while back, and routine visit w/doc. We checked my test levels and thy were 131, free test 4.6, LOW for being 26( just turned it ). So he put me on 200mg of test once a month. Now, just getting my degree in science I thought this was stupid, as there would be to much hormonal flux. So I asked if he could divide the dose, esp for test being so low. Case and point, he sent my to a urologist who put me on 200mg of test cyp every two weeks. I still thought this was a little shaky, but went with it( as they were trying to push Androderm down my throat ).

Here's the deal, i took a test level again about 12 weeks later. My test is 712. However, I took the blood test 6 hours after injection and no lifting that day, so of course test levels are going to be higher right? My fear is, I was trying to push for test cyp every ten days. However, with my test levels normal now, I think I will be fcked. Also, during my cycle my triglycerides went from 249( way high ) to 111- quite good... in 12 weeks. So, my first q, uh what should I say or prepare for my next visit. Second, what is a normal/Good dose for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in my situation.

Again first blood work, Age 26
Test-131, low
free test 4.6,low
Triglycerides-249- high

Blood test 2

test-712
triglycerides- 111

Dose( eventually ) 200 mg cyp every two weeks IM.


- Now here is my deal, I'm not iffy on needles anymore, before this all came up, I was gunna run Anavar (var) and peptides. However, I like the slow and strideful gains I made in the gym. What cycle with test cyp would be good if they decide to fck my test? Thanks

 

[funkymonk]

100mg EW would be much better
Just alter the dosing schedule at home. I really hope you're not going in each time to get your injections.

 

[DeusMalo]

Interesting your doc put you straight on test at 26yo without trying to get your boys producing. You don't mention testing LH and FSH - first thing I would expect.

I wouldn't mess w/TRT at your age w/out ruling everything else out - if the doc you're seeing isn't testing for primary/secondary hypogonadism and going straight to testosterone - find another doctor. These are basics and you could screw yourself up w/out knowing it.

If you are actually asking about a cycle this is the wrong forum - we don't talk about, endorse or give advice on steroid cycles (including testosterone even tho not an AAS by definition) ... hard to tell what you meant.

 

[Dcrazy]

Interesting your doc put you straight on test at 26yo without trying to get your boys producing. You don't mention testing LH and FSH - first thing I would expect.

I wouldn't mess w/TRT at your age w/out ruling everything else out - if the doc you're seeing isn't testing for primary/secondary hypogonadism and going straight to testosterone - find another doctor. These are basics and you could screw yourself up w/out knowing it.

If you are actually asking about a cycle this is the wrong forum - we don't talk about, endorse or give advice on steroid cycles (including testosterone even tho not an AAS by definition) ... hard to tell what you meant.

- Yeah I left that out, my LH and FSH are fine, in both tests. The boys downstairs( balls ) look normal. However, I had signs of low T. He actually was gunna do 200mg a month, until I asked otherwise. Then he was gunna prescribe 100mg every two weeks. When I got sent to a uro, he did 200mg every two weeks. I was trying to push for every ten days. Also I have no signs of gyno etc......Thanks for the reply.

Far as cycle, is that not discussed on this cite, or just this forum? First doc, is a general....the second a Uro.

 

[Ratt64]

Here's the deal, i took a test level again about 12 weeks later. My test is 712. However, I took the blood test 6 hours after injection and no lifting that day, so of course test levels are going to be higher right?

Your T levels won't be at thier highest until day 3 or 4 and then start to drop after that. If you were using a cream or gel then your levels would spike hours after application. So having your levels at 712 the day of your injection is ideal.
As far as your protocol goes, you should try to get your injections changed to 100mg weekly. 10 Days apart is too long. I was dosing at 100mg/week and found I was feeling good until day 6 and then my mood and energy levels would drop off. I asked my doc if I could go to 75mg every 5 days. I've been doing this the last 3 months and find that I feel great and I don't get that down feeling any more.
I would suggest that you get your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol dialed before doing anything else.

 

[cjw2021]

no cycle talk

 

[Dcrazy]

100mg EW would be much better
Just alter the dosing schedule at home. I really hope you're not going in each time to get your injections.

Yep, that's the way the Urologist is doing it. Ican maybe have my doc refer me to an endo. He sent me to the uro. Actually I felt worse at 712 then I did at 131 lol. I knew my test would go up, Idk if that's a dramatic jump in 12 weeks, but I know my test will just peak back down. All things considered though, I did the blood test 6 to 7 hours after an injection, so don't know if that is a high point or not. Also, have no idea what method will be used now since levels did hit normal for second test.

 

[Dcrazy]

Interesting your doc put you straight on test at 26yo without trying to get your boys producing. You don't mention testing LH and FSH - first thing I would expect.

I wouldn't mess w/TRT at your age w/out ruling everything else out - if the doc you're seeing isn't testing for primary/secondary hypogonadism and going straight to testosterone - find another doctor. These are basics and you could screw yourself up w/out knowing it.

If you are actually asking about a cycle this is the wrong forum - we don't talk about, endorse or give advice on steroid cycles (including testosterone even tho not an AAS by definition) ... hard to tell what you meant.

To add to my previous response. My Dx was severe Hypogonad...... Levels 131 and free test was low as well, while LH and FSH were fine in the pit. gland. When I got sent to a Uro, he looked at me and said all he can do is administer, that an endo may have access to further testing...then added to just stick it out and see what happens if the LH and everything came back fine.

 

[MeatHead96]

Yep, that's the way the Urologist is doing it. Ican maybe have my doc refer me to an endo. He sent me to the uro. Actually I felt worse at 712 then I did at 131 lol. I knew my test would go up, Idk if that's a dramatic jump in 12 weeks, but I know my test will just peak back down. All things considered though, I did the blood test 6 to 7 hours after an injection, so don't know if that is a high point or not. Also, have no idea what method will be used now since levels did hit normal for second test.

Did the doc every check your e2 level? You feeling worse could have to do with elevated e2. You should research AI's and talk to you're doctor about them. Arimidex and aromasin are most popular. Also look into HCG. At you're age especially you will want to talk to you're doc about putting you on this. Also, every two weeks is still too spread apart. I would go for at least once a week injections.

 

[DeusMalo]

So, when I started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I went down a typical path with patches, gels th en compounded cream - my test dropped so began test cyp injections: 200mg e2w to start. I am very "in tune" with myself and could quickly tell I was on a hormonal roller coaster - I went to e10d, which was the time when I would notice a big drop in how I felt, ***324;but after going to 10 days I could tell day 6 or 7 was when the downslope began. I went to every 7, then 2x/week.

I moved to e5d, which is the sweet spot.

Also, meathead is dead on - get your e2 checked, get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and hcg but you need to test free test and e2 as u go to get dialed in. Feeling worse at 12 weeks is Ntrademark e2 problems when doing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with test only, no AI.

Personally, if I were you, I'd get another opinion (prob the endo you mention) and see if there is anything else you can do before getting on lifelong tHRT at your age.

 

[Dcrazy]

So, when I started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I went down a typical path with patches, gels th en compounded cream - my test dropped so began test cyp injections: 200mg e2w to start. I am very "in tune" with myself and could quickly tell I was on a hormonal roller coaster - I went to e10d, which was the time when I would notice a big drop in how I felt, ***324;but after going to 10 days I could tell day 6 or 7 was when the downslope began. I went to every 7, then 2x/week.

I moved to e5d, which is the sweet spot.

Also, meathead is dead on - get your e2 checked, get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but you need to test free test and e2 as u go to get dialed in. Feeling worse at 12 weeks is Ntrademark e2 problems when doing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with test only, no AI.

Personally, if I were you, I'd get another opinion (prob the endo you mention) and see if there is anything else you can do before getting on lifelong tHRT at your age.

UPDATE:

To recap; I had my first test done, and my Test was at 131. Free test was also low at 4.6. Second test done: I got my test done day of injection( about 6 hours after ), my test was 712. The doc originally prescribed 200mg test cyp once a month. Then I thought that was weird, so went to uro, he did 200mg EOW. When he read my second test, I asked for an appt. do discuss test dosing, he said he isn't upping my test....however, could break it down to 100mg( as I suggested...it's like pulling teeth ) EW. Problem, he injects in office. So driving every week is a pain, so I'm still doing 200mg EOW. It's been over 3 months now.

Update: I took a third test, before injection. It came back my test was 208. After over 12 weeks of injections? My LH and FSH were normal in all three tests. I made an endo appt a few weeks ago. It's in a couple days, and I have no idea what to suggest or what would be good dosing in my case( look at my recap history ). My test levels were 131 orig. then 712, day of injection, then 208 before injection. Also, should I mention an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to the endo. The backround on the endo is she just got certified 3 months ago.....what should I suggest and what is apropriate dosing? I've seen ppl on here taking 200mg EW....I can tell you I feel no effects from test, like great feeling etc,etc....Just maybe some minor gains in gym

 

[cjw2021]

monitor your estrogen and shbg zzz

 

[TR2838]

I would put a lot of money on your e2 (estradiol) being high.. Good luck getting an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from your endo.. Some of them will prescribe it..
Also, Test Cyp takes 24-48 hrs to peak in the blood so that score of 700 was probably affected a little by the shot 6 hrs earlier..
You driving for a shot every week will get real old real quick and you will be calling Maximus to get you dialed in.. Just forget about running cycles if you want to be on the team

 

[Dcrazy]

I would put a lot of money on your e2 (estradiol) being high.. Good luck getting an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from your endo.. Some of them will prescribe it..
Also, Test Cyp takes 24-48 hrs to peak in the blood so that score of 700 was probably affected a little by the shot 6 hrs earlier..
You driving for a shot every week will get real old real quick and you will be calling Maximus to get you dialed in.. Just forget about running cycles if you want to be on the team

Thanks guys....actually my SHBG was checked, LH, and FSH. However, the only thing not checked was my E2 levels... I meet with the endo early today, actually a couple hours. My last blood test of 208 was done about 3 weeks ago. Um, any last suggestions before I go into the endo would be appreciated. Yeah, I don't understand... they will let me carry the test, but only if I shoot in office. However, that was the uro and reg. doc. Any last suggestions on what I should ask or expect, considering everything? Also, I'm 26( it was in the first post ). Thanks

 

[Dcrazy]

Went to the endo. Gave her my third blood test of 3 weeks ago, which was 208. She wanted another test. Really 4 tests in 14 weeks? She said 400 is normal? Um...I'm 26, how can 400 be normal. I was told 700. Thirdly, she was a b1tch..lol. She said you shouldn't of showed up late...I was 5 mins late, and her office was still closed...it was an 8 a.m apt.

Side note: She wanted the test done before 9 a.m. I thought protocol if you follow was till 10. It was 9:30 and I asked if I could have the test done then, only diff of 30 mins. She said no, then eventually her nurse said yes just go ahead and get the test done. Test results of test 4 not in yet. Uh.. if I had more sleep I woulda prob not been her fav patient. A new endo? I could be wrong.

 

[TR2838]

Is she checking estradiol this time?

 

[TR90125]

Went to the endo. Gave her my third blood test of 3 weeks ago, which was 208. She wanted another test. Really 4 tests in 14 weeks? She said 400 is normal? Um...I'm 26, how can 400 be normal. I was told 700. Thirdly, she was a b1tch..lol. She said you shouldn't of showed up late...I was 5 mins late, and her office was still closed...it was an 8 a.m apt.

Side note: She wanted the test done before 9 a.m. I thought protocol if you follow was till 10. It was 9:30 and I asked if I could have the test done then, only diff of 30 mins. She said no, then eventually her nurse said yes just go ahead and get the test done. Test results of test 4 not in yet. Uh.. if I had more sleep I woulda prob not been her fav patient. A new endo? I could be wrong.

One of the biggest reasons I went with Maximus was to eliminate getting jerked around and wasting my valuable time.

Based on the fact that she expects you to drive in to the office for every shot and she gave you attitude about being 5 minutes late when you were the first appointment can only equal one thing.....

New Endo! or better yet, Maximus.

I can appreciate the fact that their time is valauble, but guess what, so is mine and so is yours!

At any rate, just know that Maximus is always there when you get fed up with all this stuff.

Good luck!

 

[HC1]

One of the biggest reasons I went with Maximus was to eliminate getting jerked around and wasting my valuable time.

Based on the fact that she expects you to drive in to the office for every shot and she gave you attitude about being 5 minutes late when you were the first appointment can only equal one thing.....

New Endo! or better yet, Maximus.

I can appreciate the fact that their time is valauble, but guess what, so is mine and so is yours!

At any rate, just know that Maximus is always there when you get fed up with all this stuff.

Good luck!

Exactly. When I went to my doc and told him that I thought my test levels were dropping too much between shots, he told me "It's in your head, but we'll draw blood anyway." In my head huh? The nurse called the next day and said "your results are normal." I asked her "What is the actual level?" The level was 345. I dropped him and went with Maximus. It's the best decision of my life! Do yourself a favor and drop the BS docs and go with Maximus. You'll be SO glad you did!

 

[Dcrazy]

Is she checking estradiol this time?

No, she didn't check the E2 levels. Basically the same shet from what the other doc tested, and I gave her those results....I had a copy in my hand. A test of 208, both free and total being low. While LH and FSH are fine. I have noticed a small thing, hair growing a little on my outer ears. Again, I'm only 26. I have no idea.