The Glycemic Index - All Input is Welcomed :)

[IMT staff]

The GI of a food is measured in a two-step process. Researchers will give a person 50 grams of pure glucose and then measure their blood glucose levels over the course of several hours.

This pure glucose serves as the control, as theoretically, nothing can be digested faster than pure glucose.

Next, researchers give the same person 50 grams of the food in question (like carrots, rice cakes, or black beans), and measure their blood glucose levels for several hours afterwards. As the diagram below and the following technical definition of the GI shows, the blood sugar responses for the two foods are then compared.

One key component to how the GI is measured has to do with the amount. The amount of food used is always the same, 50 grams. As a result, the GI only takes into account the type of carbohydrate and not the amount. This is a point of criticism that many GI critics often bring up; for example, how practical is the GI when 50 grams of carbs from rice can be ingested with ease while 50 grams from carrots would require Bugs Bunny like dedication?

THE GLYCEMIC LOAD

Please click below to read the full article:

https://www.increasemyt.com/blog/the-glycemic-index

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

did you run this by mrrippedzilla to make sure it was ok to post?

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

did you run this by mrrippedzilla to make sure it was ok to post?

I'm not sure if you really wanted to draw my attention to the article but in any case you have

This is actually a pretty good read, much better than the workout timing article I'd expect to find in muscle & fitness - not on a respected TRT site.

My only criticism would be the table for timing high/low gi carbs based on body recomposition goals.
Carb amounts & types should be based on the relative insulin sensitivity/resistance that varies wildly from person-to-person.
Also, since GI isn't necessarily predictive of insulin response (in fact I recall one study somewhere showing that lower GI was caused by faster initial insulin response), I'm not sure how useful the table is in the real world.

I wont say too much about the emphasis on low GI carbs during the fat loss phase - apart from I hope you guys don't believe that low GI is somehow more effective for fat loss than high, with calories and macros being controlled.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

My only criticism would be the table for timing high/low gi carbs based on body recomposition goals.
Carb amounts & types should be based on the relative insulin sensitivity/resistance that varies wildly from person-to-person.

hahahahaha

please enlighten us on how you are measuring relative insulin sensitivity/resistance in these unique individuals?

 

[halfwit]

I'm not sure if you really wanted to draw my attention to the article but in any case you have

This is actually a pretty good read, much better than the workout timing article I'd expect to find in muscle & fitness - not on a respected TRT site.

My only criticism would be the table for timing high/low gi carbs based on body recomposition goals.
Carb amounts & types should be based on the relative insulin sensitivity/resistance that varies wildly from person-to-person.
Also, since GI isn't necessarily predictive of insulin response (in fact I recall one study somewhere showing that lower GI was caused by faster initial insulin response), I'm not sure how useful the table is in the real world.

I wont say too much about the emphasis on low GI carbs during the fat loss phase - apart from I hope you guys don't believe that low GI is somehow more effective for fat loss than high, with calories and macros being controlled.

Or the impact dietary fiber has on the GI response.

Great thread and excellent replies.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

hahahahaha
please enlighten us on how you are measuring relative insulin sensitivity/resistance in these unique individuals?

Pretty simple test.
How do you feel after consuming carbs:
- insulin sensitive individuals would feel energetic and in general pretty good.
- insulin resistant individuals feel lethargic, sleepy and in general pretty bad.

Not very scientific but seems to work in my experience

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

hahahahaha

dude your a pro

also we have all read the twinkie study on fat loss, of course everyone will lose fat regardless of the type of calories consumed, as long as the amount is under their BMR.

You not understanding that those 2 people will look and feel completely different tells me you have little real world experience.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

hey guys I ate a pizza early and felt tired, what kind of carbs should I eat and when?

lolololol

i seriously can't stop laughing right now

ok I will stop poking fun, i just couldn't help it, every argument I have seen from you so far is talyormade from some study you read, and is severely lacking practical application. yet your arrogance exudes you.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

hahahahaha

dude your a pro

also we have all read the twinkie study on fat loss, of course everyone will lose fat regardless on the type of calories consumed, as long as the amount is under their BMI.

You not understanding that those 2 people will look and feel completely different tells me you have little real world experience.

Yea...my point isnt coming from the twinkie study, its coming from a study comparing high gi vs low gi carbs and finding no differences whatsoever in regards to fat oxidation among other things relevant to fat loss.

Also my real life experience suggests that flexible dieting is the future whether you want to admit it or not.
Dont take my word for it - look at how naturals bodybuilders are dieting, hell you can go on to youtube and see exactly what I'm talking about. No need to rely on me & some science

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Yea...my point isnt coming from the twinkie study, its coming from a study comparing high gi vs low gi carbs and finding no differences whatsoever in regards to fat oxidation among other things relevant to fat loss.

it doesn't matter what study your looking at. not at all, they all show the same thing. fat loss is fat loss, i never argued that, not once.

as i said though, both people will look and feel completely different, and one will get diabetes.

fortunately for me I don't have to watch youtube to know what works.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I have to ask DET, werent you know as newbie23 over at meso a few years ago? Had a little argument with dr scally, concilliator when he was here, I'm sure other knowledgeable guys?

I'm not judging, just please let me know if it was you so I can save myself some time & just ignore you

Also if fat oxidation & muscle preservation is the same then the only thing left to fix is any water retention issues - which is down to electrolyte intake rather than the gi of carbs.
This literally only takes a few days to solve and they will look the same.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I have to ask DET, werent you know as newbie23 over at meso a few years ago? Had a little argument with dr scally, concilliator when he was here, I'm sure other knowledgeable guys?

I'm not judging, just please let me know if it was you so I can save myself some time & just ignore you

bro please ignore me, doesn't bother me at all. I haven't seen you make a decent argument yet, all smoke and mirrors. all bullshit. You say a lot but it just doesn't mean anything, nothing you have said has any importance in the real world at all. absolutely zero.

Your arguing just to argue.

28 rep power with only 830 post's?????? who should we ignore?

ouch thats right, you expected everyone to kiss your ass cause your a "knowledgable' guy right? not because of the quality of your posts?

trust me when you actually find some way to make a valid point, I will let you know.

you can try to tarnish my reputation as so many have done in the past, it doesn't bother and further confirms my suspicions of you.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Also if fat oxidation & muscle preservation is the same then the only thing left to fix is any water retention issues - which is down to electrolyte intake rather than the gi of carbs.
This literally only takes a few days to solve and they will look the same.

just water retention? nothing to do with complexion? Does it affect your liver negatively?

had to respond again because I didn't catch your edit in my first quotation.

Do low GI carbs just have a faster insulin response? what about the total? what about the effect on receptors?

if there isn't a study on it we definitely shouldn't make any assumptions based on experience.

i guess if they have a whey shake they are not fasted. it would be the exact same as if they ate a large deep dish pizza

in your experience, when you question people on wether or not they feel tired after eating carbs, in order to measure insulin resistance/sensitivity what type of carbs are they typically eating? I mean if they say they are tired after carbs are the usually eating whole grains? or do most people feel tired after they eat a pizza?

and lastly, in your experience, do people who eat high glycemic carbs have a tendency to crave additional carbs? what about when your clients eat low glycemic carbohydrates? do they also crave additional carbs?

should they be worried only about insulin response? or does cortisol and the adrenal glands play a role in this whole good carb bad carb thing?

is it smart to only look at fat loss as a singularity when discussing the benefits or disadvantages between low and high glycemic carbohydrates? or are there many, many more factors at play rather than simply insulin?

just curious

 

[Megatron28]

Just my two cents... It would be more informative for everyone trying to learn if there was more constructive sharing of ideas and less one upmanship. We can disagree agreeably.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

lol ok sorry megaton, just got a little carried away