The Showdown: Epi vs Ultradrol

[mlupi319]

Which one is better in terms of strength vs side effects.

Would love to hear from users that have experienced both. I am planning on running a ph (Epi or Ultradrol) at the beginning and end of a 12 week test e cycle.

 

[dylangemelli]

when making a decision on which of this to kick start an aas cycle, it really depends on your goals because these two are totally different... ultradrol is more like a superdrol clone and is going to give more size and strength and it actually has very low reported side effects... epi is going to provide strength, less size but a lot of lean mass... sides do come along with it and one is the achy joints... it just depends on your goals here... in theory, ultradrol should be harsher but when looking at the composition and the reported results, it has shown to be less harsh... personally, i would go with ultradrol but it just depends on what your trying to accomplish...

 

[mlupi319]

Ultradrol is not a SD clone. What similarities did you notice between SD and UD that makes you say that?

And mass gain is more a function of calories rather than which ph you use. Yes Epi has Aromatase inhibitor (AI) properties that dry you out but when I'm pinning test e I don't think I'm gonna have achy joints.

But I would like to know what people who used both experienced...basically what differences they noticed with both. More or less Strength vs Side Effects

 

[apetrills]

Ultradrol structurally resembling the bastard child of M1T and superdrol, methyl sten is a DHT-derivative that is dimethylated at C-2 and C-17 (like superdrol) and has a 1-ene (like methyl-1-test).

I would assume u will see much better stength gains with UD.

 

[dylangemelli]

Ultradrol is not a SD clone. What similarities did you notice between SD and UD that makes you say that?

And mass gain is more a function of calories rather than which ph you use. Yes Epi has Aromatase inhibitor (AI) properties that dry you out but when I'm pinning test e I don't think I'm gonna have achy joints.

But I would like to know what people who used both experienced...basically what differences they noticed with both. More or less Strength vs Side Effects

i didn't say IT WAS a superdrol clone, i said it was like one...

mass gain is not just about calories... are you telling me you can gain the same amount of mass when using epi and you can with beastdrol based on calories? that's why there are different compounds made for different things... you will get more mass and size using ultradrol than you will with epi...

 

[dylangemelli]

Ultradrol structurally resembling the bastard child of M1T and superdrol, methyl sten is a DHT-derivative that is dimethylated at C-2 and C-17 (like superdrol) and has a 1-ene (like methyl-1-test).

I would assume u will see much better stength gains with UD.

thank you for clearing that up!

 

[gymrat827]

ultradrol structurally resembling the bastard child of m1t and superdrol, methyl sten is a dht-derivative that is dimethylated at c-2 and c-17 (like superdrol) and has a 1-ene (like methyl-1-test).

I would assume u will see much better stength gains with ud.

this..

 

[mlupi319]

Yes I mean I know the structure and how they are related but I mean similarities between UD and SD in terms of results?

Btw I know SD is like the bastard child of anadrol and masteron (mainly resembles masteron) but once you put the di-methyl it turns into a whole other beast..I wonder if the di-methyl brings them closer together, in terms of results, relative to anything else...

 

[apetrills]

So orig superdrol was active and UD is not. Still the same chemical base. Active compound will result in more of the chemical processed which will results in more gains, methyl is adding another step to the process yet removing the sides and effect of ingestion an active chemical.

UD is pretty new i think, the whole compound is new.

i am just getting back into the game after about 5 years away but that is just my understanding of pharmakonetics and these compounds in general.

 

[mlupi319]

Yes UD is the newest ph/designer gear to be released...I think?

From what I've read Mass Tabs were supposed to have methylsten in them but it turned out to be superdrol n nothing else

 

[Mighty mullet]

Imo epi is weak as hell. I went up to 90mg and felt almost nothing. Haven't tried ud, but sd is badass. Man.

 

[dylangemelli]

from what i have noticed, there are quite a few users of epi that just don't respond to it... more so than any other ph... im not sure why this is but its a relative problem with that happens with it... some people love it but there are a lot that don't...

 

[mlupi319]

It was probably bunk Epi. Yes everyone reacts to chemicals differently (sides and results) but saying you don't respond to Epi at all is like saying you don't respond to test...which everyone does lol

 

[dylangemelli]

It was probably bunk Epi. Yes everyone reacts to chemicals differently (sides and results) but saying you don't respond to Epi at all is like saying you don't respond to test...which everyone does lol

im not trying to be a smarta$$ or anything but trust me when i tell you, epi is one that people just don't respond to and its not based on bunk product... there are some great results from it but i promise you, i do this for a living every day, and i have seen countless people that have not responded to it... for whatever reason... and i have read, several times that a lot of people just don't respond to it... thats not even in the same boat as test, not even close... the people that do respond well to it have great cycles but i promise you that there are a lot that don't... whatever the case, it really doesn't matter... if you ran it and responded well then thats all that really matters...

 

[mlupi319]

I understand that but I've read some posts from chemistry/biologically intelligent people that have stated the theory of non responders is not substantiated by science.

 

[Mighty mullet]

My epi wasn't bunk at all, friend ran the rest of it with great gains. At 50 mg. I took his superdl in exchange and finished of and had a great cycle. I don't know if I didn't respond to it, but I literally ran 70 mg one week next 90 for a week and said screw it. (It was my 5th week too so it wasn't that it didn't get into my body).

 

[mlupi319]

Personally I think its possible to respond differently but to not respond at all is fairly hard to believe. I mean these hormones are reacting/binding to your ARs. Everyone has them and yes everyone's sensitivity is different but to say you are completely insensitive would mean you would have grown up essentially "feminized"

 

[mlupi319]

My epi wasn't bunk at all, friend ran the rest of it with great gains. At 50 mg. I took his superdl in exchange and finished of and had a great cycle. I don't know if I didn't respond to it, but I literally ran 70 mg one week next 90 for a week and said screw it. (It was my 5th week too so it wasn't that it didn't get into my body).

Fair enough. You probably do respond better to SD (Obviously) and maybe your buddy responds good to everything. But there are a lot of factors that go into it. Obviously your diet is huge. And also Epi tends to dry people out so maybe you were retaining a lot of water and the Epi helped shed it.

But anyways I don't have a problem responding to anything, usually it takes longer for sups to affect me but they always kick in.

 

[brichards322]

Imo epi is weak as hell. I went up to 90mg and felt almost nothing. Haven't tried ud, but sd is badass. Man.

I just got done running IBE Epistane 40/60/80/100/80 and I gotta tell you, I am less than impressed. Mild gains but tons of AGgReSSioN!!!