Tomorrow equals my monthly cheat meal! Good time to try something new.

[alphabravo]

As title says tomorrow is my cheat meal day so I will be eating loads of carbs, I want to try slin to see how my blood sugar lands... figure it's a good day to test as I will be eating a ton.

I do understand all the basics, the 10g of carb per IU of slin, proper meal 2 hours later. I also understand the pharmacology of humilin-r and duration of effects.

My question is what's a good single dose to start with to monitor my glucose and see how it effects me? Again I will be eating big anyway. I was thinking 2iu first shot followed by the shake and then start monitoring blood sugar from there and continue to eat.

Ideally at some point I'd like to try using it on training days post WO. So again is 2iu a nice dose to just test the waters and monitor blood?

 

[49ER]

2iu aint shit and nobody is going to recommend any dose to anyone. Have you maxed out your gains? You must be shredded and ready to blow up to a new size?

 

[blakey]

I started out at about 6 highest I went up to was 12 and just to add I found dosing a few hours pre workout was better for me than post but you will work out what works best for you be safe more carbs the better and keep an eye on blood sugar levels. Goodluck

 

[49ER]

I started out at about 6 highest I went up to was 12 and just to add I found dosing a few hours pre workout was better for me than post but you will work out what works best for you be safe more carbs the better and keep an eye on blood sugar levels. Goodluck

Congratulations if he ends up in the hospital he will show this post that he took your advice lol1

 

[blakey]

2iu aint shit and nobody is going to recommend any dose to anyone. Have you maxed out your gains? You must be shredded and ready to blow up to a new size?

Congratulations if he ends up in the hospital he will show this post that he took your advice lol1

Lol I didn't tell him to do shit except go heavy on the carbs and check bloods regularly
Just telling him what I started out on not telling anyone to do slin that would be reckless and I don't want anyone to fuck with danger like that ;-)

 

[49ER]

Lol I didn't tell him to do shit except go heavy on the carbs and check bloods regularly
Just telling him what I started out on not telling anyone to do slin that would be reckless and I don't want anyone to fuck with danger like that ;-)

Good save lol

 

[Roush]

so Alpha ,, whats your blood glucose been from fasting , to moderate carb to high carb the last 3 months (without use of exogenous insulin) ?
might want to be dialed in before deciding to just start blasting slin one day . you need baseline levels and reasons why you need to manipulate things.*

* i'm preaching to myself here, impatient fellow that i am

 

[alphabravo]

so Alpha ,, whats your blood glucose been from fasting , to moderate carb to high carb the last 3 months (without use of exogenous insulin) ?
might want to be dialed in before deciding to just start blasting slin one day . you need baseline levels and reasons why you need to manipulate things.*

* i'm preaching to myself here, impatient fellow that i am

My fasting glucose tends to run on the high end of the spectrum, even sometimes over. My understanding is it should be below 100 but I usually run 100+ (highest being about 110).

I get that 2iu isn't much just seemed like a safe way to see it effects me, and no 49er I'm sure I have much more progress to make before I think about a full blown slin cycle.

 

[49ER]

My fasting glucose tends to run on the high end of the spectrum, even sometimes over. My understanding is it should be below 100 but I usually run 100+ (highest being about 110).

I get that 2iu isn't much just seemed like a safe way to see it effects me, and no 49er I'm sure I have much more progress to make before I think about a full blown slin cycle.

Id definitely wait bro readon i tried it is i had been usimg tren a lomg time and i just cant break 290lbs im not lean but slin is somethimg imo too break all plateu when you e already exhausted your resources.

Its not easy shit too use if you are busy and work and have a family ill tell you that. It made me look alot bigger and full but it would work way better on someone very lean then i can see the risks and results being worth it. But ya man 2iu is safe but not even worth it i started at 10 lol

 

[Roush]

if you ran HGH along with the Slin, then i would totally say running 2iu of slin micro dosed multiple times per day with your HGH injections micro dosed as well , that that would be worth it. with one larger 4iu or so pin of slin with a high carb meal around the workout. If your fairly lean, that 2 iu multiple times a day will go a long way.
the slin and the hgh together being micro dosed will significantly increase your IGF levels throughout the day as well.

 

[alphabravo]

if you ran HGH along with the Slin, then i would totally say running 2iu of slin micro dosed multiple times per day with your HGH injections micro dosed as well , that that would be worth it. with one larger 4iu or so pin of slin with a high carb meal around the workout. If your fairly lean, that 2 iu multiple times a day will go a long way.
the slin and the hgh together being micro dosed will significantly increase your IGF levels throughout the day as well.

Thanks for the input, I think this is something I will try when I run GH in a couple of months.

Since this post I have to admit I'm guilty of using skin 4 days in a row now, the problem is I really like it... like a lot. I found if I take 3iu with a good sized pre workout meal an hour before I leave for the gym puts me at an hour an a half or a little more by the time I step into the gym due to drive so by then the insulin is starting to peak and nutrients are ready from the meal. Now as I step into the gym I sip my usual amino acid drink and have added about 15 grams of dextrose to it, this combo gives me a killer pump - I mean it's unreal how great and full your muscles feel, shit wish I could do it forever.

Now 2 hours have passed and gym times up, I stay that long typically because I do a long slow cardio session after lifting, I bring another 3iu with me and pin it as soon as I'm done and down a good 30-40 grams of whey and casein mix with a serving of powdered oats (I put them thru the grinder) and I can feel my muscles come back so much quicker then normal, recovery time is heavily enhanced and it's super obvious my lean mass is chewing up glycogen quickly.

So my problem is I love this routine and haven't had any issues with blood sugar going to low, in fact I found I can eat more carbs without getting an increase in resting heart rate, usually if I pound a low of simple sugars it tends to jack my HR some... not with slin.

So my question is realistically how long can one do this without risk of becoming diabetic? I know some folks believe it cannot happen and some do but I haven't been able to find any real studies so I assume there hasn't been a hell of a lot of clinical testing of insulin on non-diabetics, I mean in all reality why would they even bother. So what is it that we do know for sure within this community risk wise?

Second is why do people or some people gain body fat on slin? Is this due to running higher doses and eating an over flow of carbs to compensate? I personally think I look better within 4 days likely due to the muscles being so full, I also have not increased my over all carb intake by very much but rather centered them more about pre and post workout with the slin.

 

[alphabravo]

Nobody with a good slin knowledge cares to input?

To be clear the question is what do we know about insulin use burning the pancreas out.

Everything I find on google or here seems to talk about cycling it for this reason yet I've read other members saying this doesn't happen.

I was thinking about doing just 4-5 days a week for a few weeks follows by a week or two off as I love it,

Anyone ?

 

[Roush]

post #11 . sounds like you got a good protocol going on there . I like how your only dosing about 3iu and getting very good results

from my reading , which is limited, what ends up burning the pancreas out is HGH. Because when HGH is in the blood stream insulin receptors are 'blunted' eventually leading to some insulin resistance, and the pancreas then increasing the amount of insulin it needs to produce . Supplementing with exogenous insulin in an HGH protocol then helps take the burden off the pancreas from having to produce so much insulin itself.

taking a break from slin use, from my understanding , is more about letting the pancreas begin producing more of its own insulin again (its not to keep from burning the pancreas out , just the opposite, its to keep it producing its own insulin again and not become 'dormant').

running slin 4 days a week, 3 off, is my choice , rather then doing weeks on and weeks off

 

[Roush]

why do people or some people gain body fat on slin? Is this due to running higher doses and eating an over flow of carbs to compensate

a lot of people are not running slin the smart way like your doing, i.e., micro dosing it. They pin 10iu and need to slam 100 grams of carbs with it , this is going to lead to 'spill over' and your going to store body fat, cause there is only so much glycogen that can be loaded into muscle.. the rest is all spill over into fat cells.

the other thing is genetics and individuals metabolism . insulin is probably the most person dependent bodybuilding drug we take . some guys just can't take it cause of their metabolism as well as how there body uses insulin. they are just prone to getting fat.

 

[blakey]

a lot of people are not running slin the smart way like your doing, i.e., micro dosing it. They pin 10iu and need to slam 100 grams of carbs with it , this is going to lead to 'spill over' and your going to store body fat, cause there is only so much glycogen that can be loaded into muscle.. the rest is all spill over into fat cells.

the other thing is genetics and individuals metabolism . insulin is probably the most person dependent bodybuilding drug we take . some guys just can't take it cause of their metabolism as well as how there body uses insulin. they are just prone to getting fat.

Yes true but some guys including myself are not so worried about adding a bit of fat when it is accompanied by muscle to quote you adding muscle (bulk) is the hardest thing to do in bodybuilding losing fat is the easiest. Once I dialled it in 10 ius worked just fine for me after a few adjustments
If I get brave enough id like to stack a fast acting with a long acting slin as I have both in the fridge stacked with some Mk should be good

 

[alphabravo]

post #11 . sounds like you got a good protocol going on there . I like how your only dosing about 3iu and getting very good results

from my reading , which is limited, what ends up burning the pancreas out is HGH. Because when HGH is in the blood stream insulin receptors are 'blunted' eventually leading to some insulin resistance, and the pancreas then increasing the amount of insulin it needs to produce . Supplementing with exogenous insulin in an HGH protocol then helps take the burden off the pancreas from having to produce so much insulin itself.

taking a break from slin use, from my understanding , is more about letting the pancreas begin producing more of its own insulin again (its not to keep from burning the pancreas out , just the opposite, its to keep it producing its own insulin again and not become 'dormant').

running slin 4 days a week, 3 off, is my choice , rather then doing weeks on and weeks off

a lot of people are not running slin the smart way like your doing, i.e., micro dosing it. They pin 10iu and need to slam 100 grams of carbs with it , this is going to lead to 'spill over' and your going to store body fat, cause there is only so much glycogen that can be loaded into muscle.. the rest is all spill over into fat cells.

the other thing is genetics and individuals metabolism . insulin is probably the most person dependent bodybuilding drug we take . some guys just can't take it cause of their metabolism as well as how there body uses insulin. they are just prone to getting fat.

Thanks for the input Roush, I was thinking the exact same way too so thanks for confirming for me I'm on the right track.

I've been tempted to try a little higher of a dose or possibly adding a breakfast dose but my workout is typically early so probably not good to have 3 shots of slin over lapping. I'm trying to keep it simple so I don't have too eat a huge amount of carbs.. so far the total of 6iu split pre and post WO doesn't even require me to consume too many extra carbs per day. Maybe I'm just one of them fellas who are sensitive to the slin because I can certainly feel the fullness and pump with the low dose, so I'm going to stick with your advice and stay low for now and use it 4 days a week or so.

 

[alphabravo]

Yes true but some guys including myself are not so worried about adding a bit of fat when it is accompanied by muscle to quote you adding muscle (bulk) is the hardest thing to do in bodybuilding losing fat is the easiest. Once I dialled it in 10 ius worked just fine for me after a few adjustments
If I get brave enough id like to stack a fast acting with a long acting slin as I have both in the fridge stacked with some Mk should be good

I recently read about a fella running a long acting 24 hour slin in the background ED then a couple shots of fast acting insulin per day, from what I have been reading since the post it appears the long acting slins are the safest and the body tends to adjust pretty well to them and compensate for the shifts in glucose. Someday I may consider running regular and the long acting but likely not until I've learned a lot more about it... so probably years from now.

 

[Roush]

Yes true but some guys including myself are not so worried about adding a bit of fat when it is accompanied by muscle to quote you adding muscle (bulk) is the hardest thing to do in bodybuilding losing fat is the easiest. Once I dialled it in 10 ius worked just fine for me after a few adjustments

when your adding mass your going to have to put on some fat. so yeah definitely if massing is your main goal carbing up and pinning 10iu works just fine. its easy to shed the fat at a later date. BUT a lot of guys, bodybuilders, run slin a lot more then just during an off season massing cycle , where body fat has to be kept down. So micro dosing is the best way to stay lean with slin. Unless you want to go more extreme and do the DnP/Slin/Hgh protocol . then you can add mass while staying lean

 

[Roush]

Alpha , whats your BF% ? the leaner you are the faster and more efficiently you can use insulin. thats why guys have to be careful trying to carb up for a show using Slin , they dropped down to 5% bf, they should not take the dosage of slin that they were used to taking at double that bf%

 

[alphabravo]

Alpha , whats your BF% ? the leaner you are the faster and more efficiently you can use insulin. thats why guys have to be careful trying to carb up for a show using Slin , they dropped down to 5% bf, they should not take the dosage of slin that they were used to taking at double that bf%

This is also what I thought, but it isn't the case for me. My body fat is sitting relatively high right now as I was adding some mass, S we talked about before I'm going to start cutting with primo and mast soon. I'm about 15-17% right now as individual abs are no longer visible.

I'm starting to wonder if I have an underlying issue or something because my fasting glucose runs highish but my HBA1C comes in at 5.5% which appears to warrant no concern.

I thought with my body fat sitting high I would need a lot of slin to feel the effects and I thought I would likely add more body fat quickly because of it but it has actually done the exact opposite in low doses, I actually appear leaner even though nothing else in my routine or medication routine has changed. The only change besides slin was moving more carbs to pre and post workout meals with the slin doses. Even my wife asked me if I had started, but she was confused as I haven't been super anal about my diet. She was pretty intrigued to find out I was talking insulin but I'm lucky in the fact that she gives me no shit about using stuff like that or running gear as long as I'm not reckless, she never bixthes about the spending either as long as she gets to spend what money she wants so I just leave that alone because it works.

Wish I better understood what was happening, is there any other blood sugar type tests I should look into having done to see if I have some type of insulin issue?