TOO Much for a 2nd CYCLE?!?!

[thorsky]

Simple answer to the original ?. Yes it's too much gear. At 165lbs you need to learn how to train and eat, period. All the gear in the world will not help you with that problem. If you are not gaining on 3000 or 4000 or 5000 etc... then you need to eat more, not use more juice. Plain and simple. So first get your diet down. What kind of training splits are you using? Frequency? Are you strictly sticking to BB type lifting or mixing in some PL techniques?

If you feel you can't train as well without gear, this is a purely psychological issue that you need to work out bro. Using gear as a motivational supplement is just plain wrong.

FYI - I trained for 2 years and put on about 40lbs of lean mass. It was at that point I did my first cycle, and with crazy strict eating and training I put on another 40lbs of lean mass. At 6' I now weigh 270 (up 4 this week ) and can see my top two rows of abs. Once I'm done bulking, I'll cut down about 25lbs, then bulk up a bit more. I still think I started too early. Could have easily put on some more mass naturally, but I was in a rush. So for you to say I peaked at 165 and needed juice....well....hope you get the picture bro.

Good luck.

 

[{R}a{G}e]

first off, i am also 20, i have a few under my belt, do i know what i am doing, sort of, not as much as what i should though. I know i startedo n this too early but like everyone else said, what is done is done.

Now on to my next point, you have not hit your prime muscle building yet, i don't care how anyone trains, at 19 you havent hardly even began. I won't give training advice because i'm no person to do it.

Do you lift with anyone? are you changing your routines? are you changing the intensity? are you giving yourself the proper breaks for your muscles to heal?

IF you wanna juice up, i say more power to you, i did, wasnt the smartest thing i did so early, but i wanted to get big fast so i didnt care.

Good luck to you in your cycle though!

 

[IRonBuilT]

thank you both thorsky and {R}a{G}e I agree with you guys completely

What kind of training splits are you using? Frequency? Are you strictly sticking to BB type lifting or mixing in some PL techniques?

I dont really know what BB type and PL stand for but yes I do have a strict workout that I follow 5-6 times a week and I do 1 body part a day... im in a rush right now so I can't list all that I do but I can PM you with it and u can criicize it. Only prob I know that im doing is im doing the same thing everyweek and I dont really change it up so that might be 1 of the reasons why im not gaining as much... Only thing I would change up is instead of benching I would do dumbells and for all the other body parts I just change the order of what I do.
I also agree with you when you say its psychological because when im on gear I force myself to lift hard and eat right because I dont want my hard earned cash going to waste and I def dont wanna get all puffy and bloated for nothing. But when im off the cycle I slack a lil and dont always eat as much and lift as intense.

{R}a{G}e: I agree with you and I dont think this is my max I can do naturally at all its just you know how you gain a lot for a while then you sorta stay the same weight and strength for a while then you jump up weight again... well im in the stage where ive been the same for a year.. so thats y I juiced the first time... And now I kno its def the intensity of lifting and the eating that was wrong with me the first time and my gym sucked before i went to a better one.
And yes I lift with another guy.. hes all natural and knows I juice so he forces me to lift hard. Hes someone I wanna be (strength wise) hes 5'9 190lb CUTTT and benches 400lb 4 clean reps. I guess he just has real good genetics because he eats CR@P all day all he does is take a few protein shakes a day, drink beer and eat a chicken sandwich

 

[stan]

Who are you?

My name is Stan Ozolol


TRicKtOutT: Your gains will really depend on how hard you train . Gear is usually taken in excess so one is sure it's available when the body needs it. But with your size your saturation point is much less than someone with more muscle mass..The more muscle = more receptor sites for the roids . So as other experts have pointed out, you may be overdosing which could possible give you, for one, more estrogens.
Now get this, those estrogens may turn you into a BITCH! And I don't mean TITS! Let me explain ...there is much discussion on what is roid rage?,who is really raging or faking it or are they using it as an excuse to be stupid or they were always stupid? Legitimate research has not come up with any answers of how and why bodybuilders rage .....but they do, and many bodybuilders have written about it in this board. In many cases it is under control but it can come as a surprise when you don't expect it and after it's over you feel foolish. On another thread, someone came up with the idea that this Roid Rage or "hormone induced flush" could be from estrogen, "women have estrogen and they always get mad at everything"

I know, I have had these "estrogen-bitch-rages" myself, and it is not a happy place.
So TRicKtOutT do you want these unecesssary side effects . This board is mostly, to help people like you, so listen and read. I could be playing with my 8 year old "princess" daughter right now, on a beautiful saturday evening, but i am here cause this board is exactly what this crazy sport needed for sooo many years and it is such a pleasure for me to see 'ology' in the works.

 

[IRonBuilT]

thanks for the info... since you think this is a lot what would you suggest? 500mg enan or 250mg enan with 200mg deca or what

 

[IRonBuilT]

I was thinking of doing the same exact thing but cutting the dosage in half so dbol week 1-4, enanthate 250mg and deca 200mg... whatchu think..... hmm actually maybe I should make a new thread and ask ppl

 

[IRonBuilT]

sorry Big ted but I dont have sources for other gear other than IP

 

[ChicOnSwole]

My name is Stan Ozolol


..."women have estrogen and they always get mad at everything"

I know, I have had these "estrogen-bitch-rages" myself, and it is not a happy place.
...

 

[thorsky]

well i guess u got 2 make do with what u got but remember your gear is underdosed so u might need some extra.

Can't say that for sure bro. That's the big prob with IP's gear. It COULD be underdosed, hell it could even be overdosed. No consistency...

 

[IRonBuilT]

agreed... ill just take my chances I guess.... Ill have to find a better source in the future

 

[ChicOnSwole]

IP is like a crapshoot.... you never know what you're gonna get. Sometimes you luck out sometimes you get screwed but you'd be better off waiting for a more reliable source IMO