im a normal guy age 23/ 5'10" 170/never used steroids and believe i have low testosterone due to overdosng on natural testosterone boosters for a year and im almost 100 percent positive it has affected my hpta/pituitary gland. ever since i stopped the natural test boosters i have not felt the same as before. i read that doctors prescribe serms to increase baseline test levels permanently in guys with low testosterone and to restore hpta. my idea is that, i run torem for a month to restore my hpta and pituitary gland and increase testosterone at same time. my plan is to run the torem like this 50/40/30/20/10(EOD)(5 weeks total). i recieved the torem from CEM PRODUCTS today and i'm going to start it tommorrow. if anyone can give me more input or personal experience, that would be helpful. also, should i use an AI in this situation or just taper off like i plan to??
torem cycle only....?????????????
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The_Adversary
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Before you take any more stuff you should get bloods done and see where you're actually at instead of just guessing.
Norsegod
Gym=My Drug
Exactly
If you bought OTC natural test boosters that contained no PH/DS than I'd say there's no way you caused low test or affected your HPTA (pituitary is part of HPTA) at all. What you're experiencing is placebo and/or withdrawal from placebo benefits.
You should not be using anything right now or tomorrow or next week. Don't use any compound at all and get bloods done if you're worried as stated.
You should not be using anything right now or tomorrow or next week. Don't use any compound at all and get bloods done if you're worried as stated.
Strong Man
Over Train
Get bloods! 50bucks privatelabs.com (female hormone panel)
ive read that a serm is safe way to permanently raise test levels. will one month on torem(EOD) really destroy my body? or can it help raise test levels. Even if i have normal test levels, can' t i just take torem to raise my baseline test levels even higher? what is the problem here? I can't see the problem. if someone could explain a little further detail...
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
I see one of two possible scenarios here,
1) The natural test boosters were not test boosters rather they were pro-hormones and you've suppressed yourself. What were these supposed test boosters called?
2) You've tricked yourself into thinking you've somehow suppressed yourself.
Go get some blood work done because my money is on scenario 1
1) The natural test boosters were not test boosters rather they were pro-hormones and you've suppressed yourself. What were these supposed test boosters called?
2) You've tricked yourself into thinking you've somehow suppressed yourself.
Go get some blood work done because my money is on scenario 1
1) You may not be hypogonadal in which case SERM treatment won't necessarily raise your test levels by much.
2) You are likely experiencing a placebo effect in which case you're incorrectly self-medicating.
3) you don't have blood work so you really don't know what's going on.
4) SERM treatment most certainly isnt always permanent so if your levels are low, IF, the SERM treatment may not be enough.
Summary: you're introducing compounds that may or may not help you bc you may or may not have suppressed your HPTA bc you don't have blood work to verify and may or may not be experiencing a placebo which may or may not go away on its own.
the common theme here is you don't know. You need blood work before attempting anything.
from my understanding a serm cant be more dangerous than binge drinking every weekend for a month or taking a cycle of epistane. if anything its much safer because its supposed to help you recover. torem is also the safest of all serms from what i read. least amount of side effects. i can just stop taking it if it gets bad. this experiment cant be much different than trying a prohormone. a lot of normal test level people take prohormones without blood work and come out fine and prohormones are more dangerous than a serm.
riprockwell
New member
Are you not reading what Dre is posting to you or are you just normally this ignorant? GET BLOOD WORK to see what your levels are at. You say you have symptoms and haven't felt the same. Wouldn't you want to know what your levels are at?? If your doctor doesn't want to test your hormones, then you can get a private test for 50 bucks. You say that people take pro hormones and come out fine....That is subjective to say. How do you know they are fine?? Do you review their blood work. Remember a lot of guys are living with low T and never know it.
i understand he's telling me to get bloodwork so i can be as precise as possible. i'm just trying to boost my test levels to normal if they are low. if they are low then wouldn't serm help and if my test levels are fine wouldn't a serm just reinforce my normal levels even more.
Lol man. You just want someone to give you the answer that you want to hear. Will it increase yur test? Maybe. If levels are low then yes it could. However it won't make you feel much better. Your body will need time to normalize before it will feel right. What are your symptoms anyway. If you had real symptoms you would be at the doctors or on here begging for any help and you would take any good advise given. Not sit here and ignore everything that you don't want to hear. Sorry if I sound like a prick but so many people come on here wanting to be told what they want to hear
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
Again, go get bloodwork then come back.
so i took 30 mg of torem tonight to test it and i did not like my reaction to it. i dosed it, then i drove to walmart to buy a few things. within 5 mins of driving i got a 30 second panic attack(claustraphobic/scared of unknown force for no reason). it went away but i started to think i should go back and not drive. i decided to keep going but stopped at gas station for gas. as i walked inside, there was a fat smelly guy getting gas from the clerk also but he was taking too long because something was wrong with his card. i became really angry and impatient and felt really hot(cursing inside my head) because i was trying to get to walmart and back home asap before i have another panic attack from the torem. i got my gas and left. i ran past a red light because i felt a little out of it and wasn't really paying attention. then i got another 30 second panic that went away. i finally got to walmart and felt a litlle depersonalized and borderline panic attack. so much, that i had to take a shit in their bathroom and try to calm myself down. after i took a shit i walked down the aisle and felt hot and flush again. i calmed myself down internally and bought my stuff and left. i drove home with my head straight. thought it was over but as soon as i pulled up to the driveway, i got a 20 second panic attack that went away as soon as i got out of my car. i had to take a shower to kinda snap out of it. i kinda feel dizzy and tired now. hopefully i'll be normal by the time o wake up tmrw morning. thank god i only took 30 mg and not 120 mg like some people recommend as starting dose. that panicy feeling reminded of bad trips from weed which is why i don't smoke weed at all anymore.
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
Why do you come here and ask for advice and go against it? I mean, what the fuck would we know?
Anyway, I highly, highly doubt the toremifene had anything to do with your panic attack. Judging by your posts in this thread you seem like a hypochondriac...
Are you on any other meds, an SSRI?
Anyway, I highly, highly doubt the toremifene had anything to do with your panic attack. Judging by your posts in this thread you seem like a hypochondriac...
Are you on any other meds, an SSRI?
Yes yes yes. Enough torem was metabolized, absorbed, and in your blood after 5min of administration and that's when sides hit? I doubt it. You're going off placebo once again..... Depending on how the torem was supplied to you it could easily take 5x that time just to digest the capsule it may have come in.
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