trash the deca and go with tren?

[dess]

hey, I am going to be running my 2nd and last cycle soon. My first cycle was test e/dbol a year prior. I have test e and deca on hand and was planning on running:

test e 500-750mg weeks 1-14
deca 300-400 mg weeks 1-12

however the more research i do into Tren the more i want to dump the deca and use tren. I am aware ppl are not normally advised to jump into tren on their 2nd cycle, but this will definately be my last cycle (for personal reasons), so i basically want to run the best compound possible.

My main goal is a lean bulk. My question: Is tren that much more effective then deca, that its worth me burning the extra cash and getting the tren and disposing of the deca i already have?

ppl say deca is the best for a bulk, but i feel that they say that cuz there weight jumps up on the scale because of water retention. i don't mind the bloat if in the end it means lean muscle, but i feel that in the end tren would result in more lean muscle. and since this is my last cycle, i want to get the most of it.

thoughts/advice????

 

[glubgawd]

I'm the minority on this forum, but I prefer deca over tren. Only time I use tren is during a recomp. If anything, run the cycle a couple of weeks longer:

1-16 Test E 500mg EW
1-14 Deca 400mg EW
1-6 Dbol 30-40mg ED

Yes you'll bloat a lot on deca (usually), but you definitely gain more muscle than with tren in my experience.

 

[Wheat]

If you have the deca in hand and its your last cycle, I would just stick with the deca. If you can't handle the sides from tren, then you will essentially have a horrible last cycle experience. I wouldnt ever trash gear you already had in hand. Run the deca, eat right, and you'll have some nice gains

 

[dess]

i really want to run the best possible last cycle with max gains, and maybe i'm mistaken but from the reading i have done it looks like tren is that compound. i don't want to throw a 3rd steroid in the mix, but what do you think about running:

test e weeks 1-16
deca weeks 1-12
tren a weeks 12-18.

tren a is a short ester so can i run it up to pct like you would do test prop?? i realize that deca has a long half life, so there will be some overlap between the two 19-nor compounds, but i could up my anti-progesterone support during those 1-2 weeks.

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

why so much. The doses are way too high. you don't need that much. Your going to grow tits

 

[dess]

how are those doses considered high? test e @ 500 - 750mg and deca @ 300 mg seems pretty standard to me. The 750mg is a lil on the high side i guess, but what i meant by the range is most likely i would do 250 mg amps every 3rd day, which would wind up being between 500-750 mg (closer to 600).

any1 with any inpute on how deca and tren compare???? is it worrth gettin' rid of my deca to go with tren for my last cycle??

 

[glubgawd]

how are those doses considered high? test e @ 500 - 750mg and deca @ 300 mg seems pretty standard to me. The 750mg is a lil on the high side i guess, but what i meant by the range is most likely i would do 250 mg amps every 3rd day, which would wind up being between 500-750 mg (closer to 600).

any1 with any inpute on how deca and tren compare???? is it worrth gettin' rid of my deca to go with tren for my last cycle??

Be sure to send that deca my way if you decide to run tren lol.

 

[Wheat]

Be sure to send that deca my way if you decide to run tren lol.

Damn! You beat me to it!

 

[557mustang]

Some guys I work out with are on tren and they are getting some great gains...Far more than with any other steroids, and that's with the long estered version...However they also tell me that the night sweats, nightmares, insomnia and gyno are almost unbareable

 

[cjz0220]

Well being I am one of the guys that on the cycle I am currently on I started with deca on week 1 and by week 3 felt an looked like the michelin man got big fast went from 212 to 242 almost all water. This was watching my diet (clean) drinking plenty of water, taking 25mg of aromasin ed, and still bloated BAD. Hated it I did have great strength but hated the look, that was at 300mg a week. So I decided to start tren E since its a long ester it wouldnt kick in very quick. I waited a week to start since deca has a 2 to 3 week ester in it. Figured that by the time the tren E got into my system, 2 to 3 weeks, the deca would be out. In those 2 weeks I drained a ton of water and was much harder, felt better, looked a lot better, but did lose some strength. But took about 5 weeks for the tren to really kick in and wow oh wow I am not only stronger now than I was on the deca but I have dropped 6% bodyfat. An I am only on 300mg a week of tren, the sides are not great but not unbearable. So far I have a lil extra aggression, some sweating, short of breath, less appetite, but I sleep like a baby, and feel great on it and am on a 14 week cycle of the tren E and 16 week cycle of test E at 600mg a week. No gyno but I use y aromasin eod at 12.5mg and .5ml of prami

 

[frankzanefan]

I am on week 9 of my Test E 600ml on Saturdays and Deca 500ml on Wednesday Cycle. the 1st is my 10th Test Shot.

I did not see serious bloating, but i went from 245 - 270. My strength has exploded, and Monday i plan on trying to see how well i stack up to the NFL combine 225 lift! Trying for 35 +.

I have seen my best growth to date and feel strong. However, for the summer i do plan on going with Test e and Tren. for just the reason of hardness.

But its winter, bloating is allowed.

 

[jgod]

Currently on week 8 of:

1-16 600mg test c
1-14 400mg deca

seeing great gains in strength and size. Yes some bloating but not too bad and no other sides to speak of. Getting bloods this week to check lipids/Estradiol/blood pres but i feel fine and am very hapy with the gains.

why deal with the issues of tren for what....3 maybe 4 more pounds of muscle if that? Your health and well being are more important than that!!