tren / deca gyno

[Destination230]

I've got a friend doing a cycle that looks like the following. I think he is tweaking it week-by-week or something but basically this is the overall idea:

200 test c
200 tren e
100 deca

So 500 mg/week. Not a extreme cycle by today's standards.

He's getting gyno pretty bad 3 weeks in, and I feel partially responsible because I told him that I couldn't see there would be enough estrogen to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or SERM.

I myself am winding down from a very long somewhat similar cycle, didn't run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and never got so much as a tender nipple. I had d-dick but who cares.


Can someone please explain where the hell is the estrogen coming from??? Surely it can't be from the 200 mg of cyp.

The deca is there for joint health, plus to add another hundred mg.

Neither tren nor deca aromatize so the e isn't coming from there.

Maybe Prolactin from 300 mg of 19-nor is the problem?

I gave the guy half a bottle of Proviron that I had previously used for d-dick. I thought that bringing down the prolactin couldn't hurt until we understand what's going on.

I also have some nolvadex but I really can't see how it would help - I can't see where any estrogen would be coming from.

I feel partially responsible because I looked at these numbers 3 weeks ago and didn't really see a lot of gyno potential there.

I've heard so many people say that tren and deca don't aromatize so they don't cause gyno. If that is true then I can't wait for an expert here to explain what is going on.

BTW, I realize the amount of test is low, and that you can't grow unless you're taking like 800 mg of test per week, etc, etc. I got it. So please don't post a reply saying that more test is required, unless that is a solution to the gyno problem. If that's the solution, I'd love to hear exactly how it works, in excruciating detail.

 

[thades]

It's the prolactin most likely, get some caber or prami. Preferably, caber cause prami makes many people sick, start te caber at .5mg rod until the gyno starts to subside. Good luck!

 

[lakers0812]

You can get prolactin gyno indirectly from not running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). If your estrogen gets too high from your cycle, it increases the chances of getting prolactin induced gyno. Your friend definitely needs to be running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) along with prami or caber.

Might also want to consider using some letro at a low dose and the prami or caber on cycle if the gyno is bad.

 

[Destination230]

He got online last night (first time ever I think) and called me asking about letro.

I told him that I thought letro could stop gyno by reducing estrogen, but I'd like to be more clear as to whether this really is an estrogen problem before starting something that might not work. (ie, if this is prolactin-induced gyno - which I had never heard of before - if it is prolactin, then the Proviron I gave him should help right? Moreso than letro which is for estrogen.)

 

[Caparison336]

I just went through the same issue. It's prolactin induced most likely, so no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Arimidex,ARomasin,Letro) will fix it. He needs Caber or Prami...I had it bad for 3 weeks, took one dose of Prami and it disappeared completely over night and all you require is a small dosage nightly to keep it at bay.

 

[Destination230]

Thank you!

 

[Caparison336]

Anytime man.