TRT or not TRT - that is the question...

[TryinToGetStrong]

Day 10: Blood test results
LH is back to 3,
T is at 342
So I seem to have recovered somewhat.

342 is not a great number. Livable, yes. Great, definitely not.

Also, 10 days post application is not ample time to bottom out and rebound back to where you're going to be from now on.

 

[Alpin]

Until you get a doctor willing to help get u dialed in and one that's not stingy with frequent blood work reqs.....
It will be a challenge to get yourself where you want to be or "dialed in"...

 

[Yarm]

RUI has Clomid and Nolva. Both are used for PCT. What medications are you looking for in your PCT.

We are recommending RUI to you. But you are free to order from wherever you like. One doesn't have to look to hard to find Research Chemical retailers on the internet. I can see you get frustrated and give up easily.

I've ordered Liquid Tamox 50mL 20mg/m and liquid Clomi.
Thanks for the advice. I didn't realize these were the same thing as clomid.
Presumably they are oral medications.

 

[Yarm]

Until you get a doctor willing to help get u dialed in and one that's not stingy with frequent blood work reqs.....
It will be a challenge to get yourself where you want to be or "dialed in"...

I'm scouting for a new doctor. Once experienced in this space.

 

[Megatron28]

I've ordered Liquid Tamox 50mL 20mg/m and liquid Clomi.
Thanks for the advice. I didn't realize these were the same thing as clomid.
Presumably they are oral medications.

Yes, they are taken orally.

 

[Yarm]

Yes, they are taken orally.

Ok.

Presumably they will come with dosage instructions. I've ordered
Liquid Tamox 50mL 20mg/mL
Liquid Clomi 70mL 35mg/mL
So I'm not sure how long this should last me and how long I should take the medication. I've no doctor to consult with here.
Thoughts?
Thanks again!

 

[Megatron28]

Ok.

Presumably they will come with dosage instructions. I've ordered
Liquid Tamox 50mL 20mg/mL
Liquid Clomi 70mL 35mg/mL
So I'm not sure how long this should last me and how long I should take the medication. I've no doctor to consult with here.
Thoughts?
Thanks again!

No dosage instructions will be provided. These are RC's. You will have to determine the dosages.

How did you determine how much line pollen to use? Did it come with instructions for HPTA Restarts?

 

[Yarm]

No dosage instructions will be provided. These are RC's. You will have to determine the dosages.

How did you determine how much line pollen to use? Did it come with instructions for HPTA Restarts?

Ok....

 

[Yarm]

Ok.

Presumably they will come with dosage instructions. I've ordered
Liquid Tamox 50mL 20mg/mL
Liquid Clomi 70mL 35mg/mL
So I'm not sure how long this should last me and how long I should take the medication. I've no doctor to consult with here.
Thoughts?
Thanks again!

So I tried the clomid 20mg four times now. Twice on consequetive days, along with Tamoxifen. Didn't feel great at all from this. But wasn't sure if it was trt withdrawals or the PCT.

Waited another week and tried again. Just the clomid this time. It brought on a acute depressive feeling, so didn't repeat.

Just before this I got my bloods done. My T level is now at 502ng/dl. This is above where I was at prior to TRT. Go figure...

So it would appear I don't need TRT...

At the same time I must say I felt a whole lot better when on TRT. It cleared mild depression, ups the libido, focuses my mind, amps up my motivation and relieves what I suspect are prediabetic symptoms such that I don't need to be so careful re diet and carb intake (if this gets out of control its a downward spiral).

The last few days I've taken 20mg cream per day in the morning. This is down from the 75mg per day that pushed my levels to 1104. This definitely helps with the mild depression and mild-insulin resistance, which returned after stopping TRT.

Question I have is can a small dose be used to compliment ones own production?

I.e. Can a small daily dose support a waning production of ones own T. without shutting down ones own production? Like a daily top up?

That's how it feels to me anyway. The 502 level on its own is not enough to stave of the insulin resistance symptoms.

And although 502 is not generally considered low, is it horses for courses? And low for me?

 

[Megatron28]

So I tried the clomid 20mg four times now. Twice on consequetive days, along with Tamoxifen. Didn't feel great at all from this. But wasn't sure if it was trt withdrawals or the PCT.

Waited another week and tried again. Just the clomid this time. It brought on a acute depressive feeling, so didn't repeat.

Just before this I got my bloods done. My T level is now at 502ng/dl. This is above where I was at prior to TRT. Go figure...

So it would appear I don't need TRT...

At the same time I must say I felt a whole lot better when on TRT. It cleared mild depression, ups the libido, focuses my mind, amps up my motivation and relieves what I suspect are prediabetic symptoms such that I don't need to be so careful re diet and carb intake (if this gets out of control its a downward spiral).

The last few days I've taken 20mg cream per day in the morning. This is down from the 75mg per day that pushed my levels to 1104. This definitely helps with the mild depression and mild-insulin resistance, which returned after stopping TRT.

Question I have is can a small dose be used to compliment ones own production?

I.e. Can a small daily dose support a waning production of ones own T. without shutting down ones own production? Like a daily top up?

That's how it feels to me anyway. The 502 level on its own is not enough to stave of the insulin resistance symptoms.

And although 502 is not generally considered low, is it horses for courses? And low for me?

What are you doing? This makes no sense and is potentially harmful.

You are doing off-and-an PCT? You need to run it every day.

You continue to use testosterone creams in the meantime? This is negating the effects of the PCT. Conpletely negating the effects.

And no, you cannot "top up" your testosterone levels by taking exogenous ntestosterone. If your body senses that it already has enough test in it, it stops making its own. Using exogenous Test doesn't "boost" your Test levels by being additive to your Natty T levels.

You need to pick a path. Stay on exogenous Test or PCT and come off. No pussyfooting around by doing a little of both. Pick one and do it right.

I am also going to suggest that you seriously consider not self-treating and use a doctor. You don't appear to have the required understanding for self-treating.

I know this sounds harsh, but what you are doing is bad.