Trying to restart for 2 years..

Musclemike101

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hello all, i am new to this board and i am honestly desperate to get help and feel better again. Sorry if IM all over the place with this but anyways Heres my Story...

I am currently 25 years old , naturally built i could eat whatever and still be 7 percent body fat at 190 lbs. I didnt use sauce bc i wanted to be " bigger ". I am an endurance athlete that is very competitive and when i turned pro i used Test Prope and Anavar for quick gains. In novemeber 2010 i used Test P 100MG EOD along side Anavar (10 mg pink square tabs ) 80mg ED for 6 weeks. I did not feel like i was mega man with all this energy. I actually felt sleepy all day. Previous before this cycle i would try to cycle like 3 times before. I tryed sus-a-ton 275 in amps and when i would inject i would feel so tired for about a weeek ( like i was shutdown ) then after 4 - 5 days i would feel so good and " alive " again. I went on steroid.com forums wtf? why do all my friends inject and feel SO good and blah blah and i feel worse etc.... " diet " haha i still to this day laugh my ass off about that. I even tryed fixing my diet and still the same thing 2 other times. I gave up on steroids but then once again i tryed it again and i felt fine and did that 6 week cycle of prope. 3 weeks in i started getting sick like the flu but i kept going. I felt the muscle pumps. I did get " some " gains. Not much. As soon as i injected i gained 5 lbs a week. SOmeone told me i was prone to estrogen. My diet was def in check for 3 weeks and still was putting on weight. I learned that was water. SO, i came off and started a PCT like a month later ( tamox / clomi ) from ar-r.com. When i jumped on that i used hypertest and myodrol ( test boosters ) i felt tired still and started to get really fatigued. I sleept for 16 hours. I got off and felt pretty good. Got my test done but the doctor was an idiot and just got my TT done. It came back 1500 or greater. It only went up to 1500. Soooo, i used clenbuterol for a while bc my weight was ALL over the place. I could easily lose 10 lbs in a week but gain 15 right back. I learned that was bc my estrogen was high. So, i broke my leg and after 4 months or so i got a full bloodwork panel done. My TT was 338 and Free T was 12.1 estrogens total was 102 my LH FSH was low as well. I posted that on steroid.com and they said: Tamox 40MG ED / Tribulus Sopharma forgot the dose and aromasin .5 w/e it was EOD. So i did that and lost alot of weight but didnt feel better. I realized Tamoxifen fatigues me hard. ONCE i came off i gained 5 lbs a week. I started 190 and when i came off sauce i would hover around 208 but could get down to 200 easily. so after all this i went up to 230 lbs...SO, i showed him my old BW and got a new estradiol lab donethen i consulted with DR Scally. Hes an idiot ... hes like ya my test is in range but could be higher. My estrogen was wayyyyyyyy out of range 61 or something. He said it will go down its due to swelling. Im thinking...ive been waiting forever screw that ima get an estrogen blocker. I got aromasin and did the doseing ED and lost 17 lbs in 5 days. But, it would right back up to 220 lbs ( not 230 this time ). I asked around and said what do i do? someone told me i am damanging my body with all these chemeicals go see an A4M doctor anti aging that specializes in Men. So i did and got some bloods and salvary corts done. I wanted to cancel my first consult but she called me begging not to cancel. Sketchy ?? So i consulted and my LH FSH was still low, estrogen i got bakc down to 24 my test was 400 but she said i had adrenal fatigue...so she put me on hydrocortisone and all the support supps. She gave me protocols on paper but texted me different dosing different times. Super sketchy. She got me HCG too for my low test. I didnt feel any better till the HCG... WOW. Once i injected that HCG i was feeling good! My endurance, My mood. But it faded within like 2 weeks. My nuts were aching too. Afterall she is a voodoo doctor and i didnt have adreanal fatigue. I consulted with another doctor and he wants all this money and hung up on me. Consulted with another doctor and he said he dont deal with atheletes and dont know anything i took. He even said i am not the right doctor for u. So, i been reading alot of ppl go through the same shit with doctors. They dont know restart protocols and i def am not trying to spend 500 + dollars on consults and bloodwork that i already HAVE to get help! So i want to start Cashouts restart. I been on HCG and letro for a week now. HCG 2000iu EOD and the letro i started late. I lost a few lbs already and off the letro for the weekend and starting back up monday - wed. I dont have the lost dose of HCG. I have been taking it on and off so i mean i dont think that will hurt but thats why i am here asking....will it hurt? I feel good off the HCG but i dont feel my nuts aching like normal and i do not ususally do 2k IU so id assume they would be aching rerally bbaadd! I am breaking out on my face so it should be working cuz i assume my estrogen is going up ( acne ) bc my test is going up due to the HCG ( working ).

So i am here to ask.. Do i get bloods done now to see if the HCG brought it up? Im kinda thinking wait until im 2 weeks in the clomid bc i took clomid for 5 days and my test went up to 700 which i did not mention. That was from a Free Testosterone testing flyer i got in my gym haha a year ago i did not mention. My other question is. Since im getting acne and feeling good and not fatigue and sick off the HCG i should be ok for a possibly successful restart correct? If this restart does not work i mean...should i get pharma grade stuff? Oh, forgot to mention. My testiscles DOT NOT SHRINK while i was on. Still could get an erection and everything. My main thing here is FATIGUE, ENERGY and WEIGHT GAIN.

If anyone could help me out here id appreciate it alot. sucks living like this i have been trying to get help for 2 years now and now im back to trying to do it myself.

Thanks
 
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you need to stick to a plan and wait few weeks for blood....i wish i could take letro i crash from 1 drop...but again weeks for blood.
 
thanks bro, but if my test hasnt gone up from the HCG from what i read i shouldnt start the Clomid and Nolva. thats what im afraid of i am going to waste it but from the sides like i said im thinking the HCG is giving my nuts a kick. The only thing is with UG shit u dont know the dosing :/ && yeah that sucks. I feel ok at the moment on letro. Everyone is different -_-
 
from what i know letro alone could help kick up t levels from knocking out estro in the hpta loop...but i still think cash was proven...so if u can follow his plan do it ...i cant thoses doeses would put me in hospital....

also that guy was like freaky strong...he said he had kept his stregnth during that protocol....
 
You need to get your blood test on HCG. I have seen cases where guys played around like that young, then they try a restart and it fails, so they go to TRT.

Sometimes when this happens, and I am referring also to a co worker I had for years, not just reading it, you have to do the HCG for long periods of time. Like maybe even 6 months. Test and test to see it you can get it back up. When you do then you try to stimulate the pituitary, and that can take up to 3-5 months. You have to test on that to make sure it is working as well.

So if your gonna be serious, you need to do the proper testing, and then get prescription medication. Also HMG, could be your life saver.

That is the only way to make sure your ready for the next step, your dosages are working, and that you have recovered completely.
 
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You need to get your blood test on HCG. I have seen cases where guys played around like that young, then they try a restart and it fails, so they go to TRT.

Sometimes when this happens, and I am referring also to a co worker I had for years, not just reading it, you have to do the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for long periods of time. Like maybe even 6 months. Test and test to see it you can get it back up. When you do then you try to stimulate the pituitary, and that can take up to 3-5 months. You have to test on that to make sure it is working as well.

So if your gonna be serious, you need to do the proper testing, and then get prescription medication. Also HMG, could be your life saver.

That is the only way to make sure your ready for the next step, your dosages are working, and that you have recovered completely.

Thanks man, Thats why I posted this...I'm scared I might be going into this restart not knowing the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is working... Can u guide me here? If this Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I have isn't working at the dose I'm using what's the next step in this process? Thanks for the help.
 
Thanks man, Thats why I posted this...I'm scared I might be going into this restart not knowing the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is working... Can u guide me here? If this Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) I have isn't working at the dose I'm using what's the next step in this process? Thanks for the help.

Bump...
 
Well if its not working then you need to adjust dose and frequency and then do that for some time and get another blood test to see if that dose is working, you have to just keep doing that until it either works (shows high TT) or until you give up on it.

If you sign up with IMT I can work with you under the direct supervision of one of there doctors, to help you recover. I can only help so much when your not a patient, its not cause I don't want to, but there is liability involved.

Hope this helps you man
 
also if the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) won't do it then you need to look into adding HMG to the protocol.
 
2000ius a week will severely decrease LH Sensitivity and QUICK, which is why blasts are for EOD two weeks usually, anything over 500iu in your system will cause desensitization, make sure you keep this in mind, you could permanently disable your receptors.

I believe Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) has a 72-84 hour half life
 
2000ius a week will severely decrease LH Sensitivity and QUICK, which is why blasts are for EOD two weeks usually, anything over 500iu in your system will cause desensitization, make sure you keep this in mind, you could permanently disable your receptors.

I believe Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) has a 72-84 hour half life

This is a flat out myth..........also due to learning more about HCG, it should always be dosed E3 to E4 days, due to its bi phasic pattern.
 
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http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/156877-hcg-desensitization-does-exist.html
 
Yeahhh , det oak u gotta help me out here I am sick of living like this...I also don't know this Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is working...no nuts aching or surpressed appetite. I can't train anymore and just lazy. I have inflammation in the body so I get sick everytime I train... Blows. I gotta find pharma Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and post cycle therapy (pct) or else idk if ima be successfull w this restart
 
you can test your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) with a pregnancy test

Starting clomid / Nolva doses tomorrow. I'm sure my test will go up but will it stick..I am emotional soo this is gonna be tough! I hope my immune system gets stronger, drop 10 lbs that I can't lose and my sleep gets better. I am expecting fatigue though.
 
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