Ultimate shredding cycle.

rippedjesus

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1-8 test p 100 mg eod
1-8 50 mg anavar ed
1-8 50 mg Winstrol (winny) ed
25 days clen on "normal escalation" (thoughts on break? then 25 days again)
1-8 30 g creatine ed.
1-8 1 mg anastro eod
pct -
1-4 20 mg nolva
1-5 50 mg clomid.
4x2500 hcg e5d.

Any thoughts, and perspective on my setup combo with clen cycle?
 
Dude take it easy with the Winstrol (winny) man, 8 weeks of that stuff is too much too much
 
That seems like a shit ton of creatine.

well I can show your studies that any less is a waste of time. because your body so quickly adapt to the creatine in the muscles.. the normal recommended dosage on packets says 3 g which is crazy.
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postworkoutballz - ya bro u dont have a clue what your talkin about ....slowly put down the needle before someone gets hurt.

Yeah that was really a mature and constructive responds GJ beeing the asswhipe of the net! you succeeded.
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Cheph

Dude take it easy with the Winstrol (winny) man, 8 weeks of that stuff is too much too much

I looked into it Cheph I will cut down Winstrol (winny) and Anavar (var) cycle to 6 weeks. even though earlier experiences with Anavar (var) , gave me no shutdown whatsoever.. but this is first time comboing with winny.. thx bro.
 
well I can show your studies that any less is a waste of time. because your body so quickly adapt to the creatine in the muscles.. the normal recommended dosage on packets says 3 g which is crazy.
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postworkoutballz - ya bro u dont have a clue what your talkin about ....slowly put down the needle before someone gets hurt.

Yeah that was really a mature and constructive responds GJ beeing the asswhipe of the net! you succeeded.
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Cheph

Dude take it easy with the Winstrol (winny) man, 8 weeks of that stuff is too much too much

I looked into it Cheph I will cut down Winstrol (winny) and Anavar (var) cycle to 6 weeks. even though earlier experiences with Anavar (var) , gave me no shutdown whatsoever.. but this is first time comboing with winny.. thx bro.

I'd love to see these studies bc 3-5g daily of creatine supplementation will saturate your muscles in 3-4wks time. 30g of creatine a day IS A COMPLETE WASTE


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"Currently, manufacturer's instructions and athletes' use of Cr follows a dosing regimen of a ***8220;loading***8221; phase of 20 g/day (4 × 5 g) for 5 days and a maintenance dose of 3 to 5 g/day. Investigators have found that intramuscular tCr levels increase from 17 to >20% with a dosing regimen of 20 to 30 g for 2 or more days (Harris et al., 1992; Greenhaff et al., 1994; Balsom et al., 1995;Febbraio et al., 1995; Gordon et al., 1995; Hultman et al., 1996). It has also been reported that up to 20% of this increase is due to PCr (Harris et al., 1992; Gordon et al., 1995; Casey et al., 1996; Hultman et al., 1996; Vandenberghe et al., 1997, 1999). However, there does appear to be an upper limit of intramuscular tCr content at ***8764;160 mmol kg***8722;1 of DM (Harris et al., 1992; Casey et al., 1996). Similar intramuscular PCr levels from this dosing regiment can be accomplished by taking 3 g/day over 30 days (Hultman et al., 1996). After ***8764;2 days of loading, maximal accumulation of intramuscular Cr occurs and therefore amounts of >20 g/day are unnecessary"

http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/53/2/161.full

^^^^ the same results you get on 30g of creatine can be had on a 3G/day dose once your blood levels saturate around ~ 30days if not loading. Therefore you're not only pissing out more creatine than your body can absorb, but you're also making some supplement company owner a very VERY rich man.
 
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Personally creatine at 5g /day gives me noticeable water retention as well as mild bloating, I couldn't imagine 30g /day especially if I was looking at cutting cycle as it would just be counterproductive. That just myself and I know everyone is different but that just seems like an overload.

As stated with the Winstrol (winny) 6 weeks should be plenty and your joints will thank you at the end.
Personally I have only ran Anavar (var) and Winstrol (winny) together at the end of a cycle kind of like this
week 1-12 - prop EOD
week 1-4 - 40 mg Anavar (var) ED
week 4-8 - Clen - 25 day ramp
week 8-12 - 50 mg Winstrol (winny), 40 mg Anavar (var) ED

Again its matter of opinion and just the way I like it
 
Personally creatine at 5g /day gives me noticeable water retention as well as mild bloating, I couldn't imagine 30g /day especially if I was looking at cutting cycle as it would just be counterproductive. That just myself and I know everyone is different but that just seems like an overload.

As stated with the Winstrol (winny) 6 weeks should be plenty and your joints will thank you at the end.
Personally I have only ran Anavar (var) and Winstrol (winny) together at the end of a cycle kind of like this
week 1-12 - prop EOD
week 1-4 - 40 mg Anavar (var) ED
week 4-8 - Clen - 25 day ramp
week 8-12 - 50 mg Winstrol (winny), 40 mg Anavar (var) ED

Again its matter of opinion and just the way I like it

That's my point brother, you won't get any added benefits with creatine with a 30g/day vs. 5g/day. Your muscles, once they hit their saturation point of creatine, cannot hold any more. You won't notice much if any additional bloat regardless of the dosage as there is an upper limit saturation point of creatine in muscle. A 30g/day is a total waste of creatine and money. So again, once you hit your saturation point, a daily 3-5g dose is sufficient to keep you saturated. And you can either saturate at a 3-5g daily dose which takes 3-4wks to reach or do the loading phase of 20g daily for 1-2wks. My opinion, save your time and money and just take it at 5g a day from day one.
 
schwarzenegger.com/fitness/post/creatine-how-much-should-you-be-taking-references

schwarzenegger.com/fitness/post/creatine-how-much-should-you-be-taking
 
very nice responds really appreciate it. the reason my test p cycle is only 8 weeks, is because i have no more stocked.

I will follow your advice and throw Winstrol (winny) in the last 6 weeks, always nice with people who are custom to the product, if my joints start acting up I will lower the dose.

thank you again :)
 
schwarzenegger.com/fitness/post/creatine-how-much-should-you-be-taking-references

schwarzenegger.com/fitness/post/creatine-how-much-should-you-be-taking

Are you serious with that crap? An Arnold website link is now a study? That's ridiculous, retarded, and plain old stupid. How on earth can you even use that as a source?

This is directly from one of the studies that your "Arnold study" cites:

"Significant increases in body mass and fat free mass [sic] were also reported by Becque et al [33] following a creatine-supplemented 6-week strength training regimen (20 g/day for the first week, 2 g/day thereafter)."

Creatine Supplementation and Exercise Performance: An Update



Another fun little factoid from your article you're trying to pass of as a study:

"Interestingly, high-intensity exercise performance remained enhanced after 6 weeks of continued creatine supplementation within the C group, despite the fact that muscle CrP content had returned to baseline values. This may suggest that the increase in muscle free and total creatine remaining in the C group after 6 weeks ( Table 2) results in an increased CrP rephosphorylation rate during the active rest period in between sprints, as previously suggested by Greenhaff et al."

And

"We conclude that both short-term and prolonged creatine supplementation (using a maintenance dose of 2g·day-1, following the initial loading phase), improved performance capacity during repeated high-intensity sprints on a cycle ergometer.

Clinical Science (2003) 104, 153-162 - L.J.C. van Loon and others - Ergogenic effects of creatine loading and prolonged creatine use

The only good thing your "source is good for is laughs. The writer is an employee of Flex magazine and pushing excessive supplementation. Funny how the owner of Flex magazine, Joe Weider, has his own supplement line (which includes creatine) and is pushing, you guessed it, ridiculous supplementation protocols on ppl. Your article is fucking garbage. Next time you want to post a "study" please at least make it a legitimate one and a peer-reviewed one at that. This was more of a retarded meta-analysis than any sort of actual study.
 
If you even read his article you'd see that he says, and I quote here, "my hypothesis is that this would be the minimum amount of creatine needed, daily". This is not a study, it's the ramblings of a Joe Weider employee trying to earn his boss a new vacation or himself a bonus.
 
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