Unexplainable blood work?

[paxmillion]

Here is my situation.


So.... I was in PCT, was taking clomid for a couple months at 25mg a day, and some natural test booster phytestosterone which had pure testofin (long jack). I was also on 2iu daily of RIPTROPIN. This is my bloodwork that just came in.

I decided to get blood work before I hopped back on cycle. Well to be honest, I started cycle the night before my blood was drawn, I injected my first 250mg test E about 24 hours prior to blood being drawn. I figured if my bloods were bad I would just go back on PCT, but I couldnt take not being on test any longer.

Few things I do not get... My testosterone was god knows how high, over >1500, with a lot of free testosterone. I dont know how? Did the single long ester test shot the night before make my levels instantly over 1500? I doubt it.... So 25mg clomid and taking 2iu of rips made it 1500? I doubt it. I am so confused. I am still shut down as fuck and basically producing no natural test. Progesterone is very high, but estrogen is low? I had small gyno lumps behind my nipples and when I squeezed, a drip of this liquid would come out. SO DONT BELIEVE THE BRO SCIENCE THAT SAYS "PROGESTERONE CANT MANIFEST INTO GYNO WITHOUT ESTROGEN BEING HIGH" thats complete bullshit and my bloods will back that. So I am taking 25mg aromasin daily and 1mg of caber twice weekly (I only use pharma grade). One lump is completely gone, the other is disappearing by the day (no more leakage either). So I am going to continue my 500mg weekly test cycle with my 3iu of rips, I just wanted to share my story and post bloods, see if anyone has any theories. Thanks

BTW I am 22 years old, 5'7 and about 180 with very low BF......and puffy leaking nipples, jk they are getting better. I have low BF and I dont look like I have gyno so it was a surprise to me, maybe because my chest is so big and defined?

 

[clman8585]

How long ago before this first pin did you have your last pin of your prior cycle?

Edit:I see now that you said 2 months

 

[paxmillion]

How long ago before this first pin did you have your last pin of your prior cycle?

almost 3 months, and it was just a test/npp cycle.

 

[clman8585]

Im more curious why you are starting a new cycle before you have your endocrin system stabilizwd from the last, and wwith the nipples leaking...fix yourself first. Get stabilized, then cycle later down the road.

 

[paxmillion]

Im more curious why you are starting a new cycle before you have your endocrin system stabilizwd from the last, and wwith the nipples leaking...fix yourself first. Get stabilized, then cycle later down the road.

Well the gyno was very mild, pea sized lumps, and they go away completely after taking an AI/Caber. Cell destruction is pretty simple once you read the medical studies and understand the protocols they used to actually reverse gyno, IT IS POSSIBLE, but high BF and being prone to gyno makes your chances not likely. I have low BF and gyno does not run in my family, so the chances of my protocol reversing gyno is much easier.

And as for my LH/FSH being low, I am not too worried. I am young and believe it or not the endocrine system is going to stabilize itself out in time, expecially at my age. Suppression from steroids is reversible with post cycle therapy (pct) protocols, and being young it makes my chances even better.

My main concern is how my test is so high, and as long as all my other blood works came back fine (which it did) I dont see any issues with continuing to take test shots.

Its not like I am going on a gram of test and gram of tren cycle, we are talking a simple 500mg test cycle for a couple months.

 

[clman8585]

And the "couldn't stand not being on test" feeling.. was your body telking you thay your hpta still wasn't fully recovered. Honestly brother, with the way you are going aboit it, you seem like a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) candidate in the very near future. The decisions you make now, will effect you the rest of your life.

 

[clman8585]

Well the gyno was very mild, pea sized lumps, and they go away completely after taking an AI/Caber.

And as for my LH/FSH being low, I am not too worried. I am young and believe it or not the endocrine system is going to stabilize itself out in time, expecially at my age. Suppression from steroids is reversible with post cycle therapy (pct) protocols, and being young it makes my chances even better.

My main concern is how my test is so high, and as long as all my other blood works came back fine (which it did) I dont see any issues with continuing to take test shots.

Its not like I am going on a gram of test and gram of tren cycle, we are talking a simple 500mg test cycle for a couple months.

Kinda sorta true, but the more you abuse your endocrin system the harder it will be to bounce back each time

 

[halfwit]

Something is definitely off here. No way is your LH/FSH at those levels after being on post cycle therapy (pct) for two months combined with a testosterone level being out of range after a few hours of your last pin. ESPECIALLY your free test. What kind of test booster are you on? Have you been taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) this entire time? There's so much here that doesn't add up it's not even funny.

 

[paxmillion]

Something is definitely off here. No way is your LH/FSH at those levels after being on post cycle therapy (pct) for two months combined with a testosterone level being out of range after a few hours of your last pin. ESPECIALLY your free test. What kind of test booster are you on? Have you been taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) this entire time? There's so much here that doesn't add up it's not even funny.

thank you. I am just as lost as you, and I am being 100% honest with this post. I dont really post on forums, but I am clueless and looking for answers.

I was off ALL steroids for at least 2 1/2 months. The only supplements I was taking was 25mg clomid, and this "test booster" with long jack. and sub q riptropin shots. I took my first pin of 250mg test E the day before bloods were drawn, so unless a single 250mg test e shot made my levels instantly sky high, I have no idea what is going on. I did take 12.5mg aromasin twice weekly (sometimes). It was a very on and off thing, only if I felt like mentally I was getting bloated.

 

[paxmillion]

Okay I am thinking about not taking the test and just continuing with post cycle therapy (pct). clomid and riptropin for awhile, take bloods in a few months after stopping clomid and see whats going on. I am happy that the rest of my blood work is good, but my endocrine is really fucked up and I don't understand how my levels are so out of whack, nothing is making sense.

Apparently this clomid and riptropin or SOMETHING is working, because look at my test levels lol.

I am kinda worried and also intrigued at the same time.

 

[halfwit]

HGH can't elevate test levels and LH/FSH take some time to shut down completely. I'm wondering if they messed up your blood test. Do you happen to know what the name of the test booster is? I wonder if it's a designer steroid in disguise...

Edit: You're on the verge of crashing your estrogen man, lay off the aromasin for awhile.

 

[clman8585]

Yes he very well could have been taking a ph and didn't know. This would explain everything.

 

[halfwit]

Yes he very well could have been taking a ph and didn't know. This would explain everything.

That's what I'm thinking. It would have to be one that directly converts to testosterone though, and I am not familiar enough with PH/DS to know if there are any out there that do that. Even then, I'd imagine it would have to be a 17-aa oral, which should have come back with elevated ALT/AST numbers... I'm kind of stumped here.

 

[paxmillion]

HGH can't elevate test levels and LH/FSH take some time to shut down completely. I'm wondering if they messed up your blood test. Do you happen to know what the name of the test booster is? I wonder if it's a designer steroid in disguise...

Edit: You're on the verge of crashing your estrogen man, lay off the aromasin for awhile.

Ya its Primordial Performance. Phyto-Testosterone. Literally just good pure long jack extract. They are clear capsules that have green dried plant material in them and smell like complete ASS.

I know HGH cant, but I am lost on answers for my blood work so I am just trying to imagine what it could be... I was surprised my LH/FSH was so low after being on Clomid for so long? It is cipla Clomid, Fertomid 50 mg. I know it is legit, Cipla is like the biggest generic drug supplier in the world. All the packaging was professional and looked exactly like it does on Cipla website. All of my ancillaries are from Cipla and Sun pharmaceuticals. Very well known India corporations.

I started the test shots last week while I waited for the blood work. I have only taken like 3 total. Guess its time to hop back off and continue taking this Clomid and hope for the best, LOL. Hopefully my test stays this fucking high forever.

(also, orals would not elevate natural test levels, at least none I can think of..)

Maybe this fuckin riptropin is actually freeze dried roidz? LOL. But it is 2iu subq shots, that wouldnt be nearly enough if it was actual freeze dried test.

This is going to drive me crazy until I can come to a solid answer.

I was trying to find pituitary tumors that produce test, but I don't think it is possible. a pituitary disease would make my LH/FSH TOO HIGH, and all the tumors I found do not produce test, just other hormones. I am sure I am fine, just making sure I ruled out the extremes.

I don't want to crush estrogen, but in my gyno case it is the only way. I have Letro from Cipla coming in this week, and I am going to completely kill off estrogen. It's harsh, but thats the only way to cause the actual cell destruction that is needed to reverse these lumps that are from the progesterone. I am also taking caber, however caber only affects PROLACTIN, not progesterone directly. I would rather have low sex drive than leaky nips.

This damn progesterone is from the riptropin and I know it, I just thought with keeping estro levels low, I would be okay. So take that advice.

 

[clman8585]

Where's the doc when you need him?? Lol

 

[halfwit]

Primordial did have some really good products, but after reading what is in the phyto-testosterone, I just can't believe it would do that. Yeah, your best bet is to come off and let your HPTA heal up. I'd get another blood test (without anything BUT the clomid) a couple weeks after your clomid is done and see what is going on. The only thing I can think of at this point is that the lab hosed up your results, which does happen on occasion - I've just never seen it THIS crazy.

 

[paxmillion]

Primordial did have some really good products, but after reading what is in the phyto-testosterone, I just can't believe it would do that. Yeah, your best bet is to come off and let your HPTA heal up. I'd get another blood test (without anything BUT the clomid) a couple weeks after your clomid is done and see what is going on. The only thing I can think of at this point is that the lab hosed up your results, which does happen on occasion - I've just never seen it THIS crazy.

Yep I guess that is the best answer, I just had to post this because it was driving me crazy.

 

[heavyiron]

Injecting testosterone quickly spikes testosterone levels even if its a long ester. This is a scientific fact brother.

Pharmacokinetics of Testosterone cypionate Injection

Source: Schulte-Beerbuhl, 1980 Figure. Pharmacokinetics of 200mg Testosterone cypionate injection. Source: Comparison of Testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone in serum after injection of Testosterone enanthate or Testosterone cypionate. Schulte-Beerbuhl M, Nieschlag E. Fertility and Sterility 33 (1980) 201-3.

 

[3ct]

Are you sure you didn't get a female test done? No way can the normal range for estradiol be between 40-115 for a man.

 

[halfwit]

Injecting testosterone quickly spikes testosterone levels even if its a long ester. This is a scientific fact brother.

Pharmacokinetics of Testosterone cypionate Injection

Source: Schulte-Beerbuhl, 1980 Figure. Pharmacokinetics of 200mg Testosterone cypionate injection. Source: Comparison of Testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone in serum after injection of Testosterone enanthate or Testosterone cypionate. Schulte-Beerbuhl M, Nieschlag E. Fertility and Sterility 33 (1980) 201-3.

While this may be the case, I've never seen LH and FSH decrease that quickly to almost nil values. I have pinned the day before a blood test (for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) purposes) and have never seen results show up like that. I've seen my peak increase by maybe a hundred points, not from PCT/baseline values to >1500ng/dL. I'm pretty sure the peak for testosterone being at 48 hours doesn't refer to blood saturation levels, otherwise we wouldn't have to wait 4 weeks for it to ramp up, no?

No disrespect intended of course.