I'm scared to death that when my endo see this he'll make me stop the TRT. I had these big varicose veins just above and next to the inside of my knee. All of a sudden a couple of weeks ago they got hard. I saw my regular doc and he had an ultrasound done. It's clotting in a superficial ? (can't think of the right term) area. But with the FDA warning that came out in June, and my doc being skittish, I'm afraid it's all over with. Has this happened to anyone else? Scared to death because my depression would skyrocket.
Varicose Veins Turns Hard (Clot)
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synonymous
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I've had a superficial vein harden (To a degree). Had nothing to do with TRT. It's on the top of my right foot. Doctor says not to worry. They can do surgery but unless it's causing pain there's no point he says. TRT stayed the same.
halfwit
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Just ask your doctor if healthy men that get clots have to remove their testicles. The FDA panel warnings are a farce and likely either populated by or handled by the big pharmaceutical companies. (Yeah, tin-foil hat time)
The only studies out there truly relevant to us on TRT show it is absolutely beneficial and INCREASES not only life span, but quality of life as well.
The only studies out there truly relevant to us on TRT show it is absolutely beneficial and INCREASES not only life span, but quality of life as well.
synonymous, thanks for the info. halfwit (may I call you that? ha), I certainly agree with you, but dying from a clot kind of negates all that. Or from the docs point of view, dying from a clot and getting sued because he prescribed testosterone from outside of your body. My doc is skittish. I'm nervous and hope he doesn't see it in my chart or on me. I almost feel since I have a clot, like I'm a ticking time bomb, because if it breaks free and goes somewhere it's not supposed to, then that would be bad. But I don't think that's what would happen.
I wonder if he told me to stop, if another doc would take me?
I wonder if he told me to stop, if another doc would take me?
halfwit
I like turtles.
Yes, of course you can see another doctor to continue therapy. They may want to look into why you developed clots before continuation, but a good doctor shouldn't have issues with continuing your TRT.
I realize I came off a little combative, it's just that I know there is more money in treating symptoms than treating the root cause. Anabolic androgenic steroids already have a terrible stigma due to politics, so when lawyers jump on cherry-picked data from a flawed research paper - it only hurts those of us that need treatment.
Just for your information, there are over a dozen other causes of clots (sounds like you have superficial phlebitis, which is harmless and common) ranging from obesity to smoking and even being inactive. I would definitely fire him (doctors work for US, not the other way around) and find someone that is better educated on the subject.
Nobody wants to die, but I challenge you to read the drug side effects from say vitamin C - it might help you to realize how silly much of this current push for FDA intervention really is.
Oh, and death is a listed possible side effect from vitamin C.
Well, now my doc found out about the clot and wants to talk to me about it. He sounds really concerned and I'm really scared. Is there anything I can say? Have there been any studies at all that link clots to testosterone? I know I need to find another doctor. But for now I have him.
halfwit
I like turtles.
The problem you're about to face is that MANY studies inappropriately link testosterone to several negative side-effects. This is due to the fact that we convert testosterone to estradiol, and as testosterone increases - so does the estradiol. Estradiol (E2) is the true culprit for the vast majority of the sides, and it is slowly being proven in studies by heavy hitters such as the Mayo Clinic and even the World Health Organization. Prostate cancer for instance is one of such discoveries that is bringing to light the importance of estradiol control via aromatase inhibitors.
Unfortunately I'm on my phone, but you should be able to view a few studies using Google with search parameters including testosterone, clots, estradiol and pubmed. I know many of the big ones like DVT are caused for instance by uncontrolled red blood cells, which can (and should) be treated with regular blood donations. The early indicator for such risks would be an elevated hematocrit (53% or higher if I recall correctly), which doctors SHOULD be monitoring with TRT patients along with estradiol.
Hopefully you find enough to present a strong case, but you also need to remember - what he says are only RECOMMENDATIONS, not the way it's going to be regardless of how you feel about it. Best of luck, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
(First off, the thrombophlebitis I have on my leg is very large and scary looking.)
Well the doc app't didn't turn out well. He said there is evidence, in his mind, that T can raise risk for clots, and I have to go off of it, at least for now. He has a conference call with other Endos every two weeks and is going to bring up my case. And guess when the last one was--earlier today. I don't know if I can find another doc fast enough and I can't guarantee they will inject test just like that.
My level last week was 1000. (Too high obviously) How long is it going to be until I'm really depressed? I deal with bad chronic depression, so this is going to be really bad. I asked about an interim dose and he said I've got plenty in me for another couple of weeks. He's saying how it's protein bound and takes a long time to leave, blah blah, but I told him that doesn't mean there's enough in me to affect me positively.
Well the doc app't didn't turn out well. He said there is evidence, in his mind, that T can raise risk for clots, and I have to go off of it, at least for now. He has a conference call with other Endos every two weeks and is going to bring up my case. And guess when the last one was--earlier today. I don't know if I can find another doc fast enough and I can't guarantee they will inject test just like that.
My level last week was 1000. (Too high obviously) How long is it going to be until I'm really depressed? I deal with bad chronic depression, so this is going to be really bad. I asked about an interim dose and he said I've got plenty in me for another couple of weeks. He's saying how it's protein bound and takes a long time to leave, blah blah, but I told him that doesn't mean there's enough in me to affect me positively.
I wonder if this is something to look into because of how high my level is. My doc has only tested for T level. 
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