What Do You Guys Think of This testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) Protocol?

[RonJeremy]

What Do You Guys Think of This TRT Protocol?

Hello Everyone

I am a 39 yr old male from Seattle and am on a protocol by a hormone doc here

Here is what she has me on

-100mg/day test cream at 10 % concentration
-2000 Iu's of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) week
-NO AI

She wants me to do IM with HCG...but have been doing Sub Q...and nads haven't really filled up so maybe SUB Q isnt the way to go?

Been on this since June 1st. Feel like shit

Had a follow up the beginning of month and she says I am converting half my T and pissing the rest out

She says I the estrogen of an 18yr old

She didn't want to raise my T since I am converting and prescribed Pregenenelone to prevent my T from converting

I am doing Progesterone instead as I heard Preg can convert to estrogen

She is keeping everything else the same except she gave me Myomin which supposedly helps with estrogen dominance

I don't have my follow up labs but will get them

She didn't want to prescibe an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) this time and didn't go into why but I don't think she is against it and I have a follow up in 2 weeks to get more labs

Anyhow, my question is:

1) it seems like her initial prescripiton of T is really low...basically 70 per week...what do you think>

2) What is your opinoin of IM vs Sub Q for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? Again, not noticing the size effects...in fact, maybe shrinkage...especially in the morn

My goal is not to be a bodybuilder...just get my levels to the high normal range of 800 ng/dl...doing this for health and libido

I stared at 311 ng/dl...and having been on this regimen before with another doc, I am probably up at about 480

Thank you for your time

-Mark

 

[TR2838]

Test is too low.. Minimum of 100mgs per week to start IMO
HCG is waaayy too high! 250ius 2/wk is usually sufficient.. I like IM just for piece of mind
I don't understand what you mean by not converting? Converting to estrogen or DHT? Your estrogen must be sky high from doing 2000ius of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a week and that will make you feel horrible.. I think she meant your estrogen is the same as an 18 yr old girl.. That's my .02

You need to get your own copy of your labs and post them

 

[RonJeremy]

Hello

Thank you for the response!

I am converting everything to estrogen...so yeah, she meant I have the estogen of an 18yr old female...but with an adams apple

I'll get my paws on my labs

So that amt of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can convert to estrogen?

That is interesting as another doc in Seattle had me on the exact same regimen...the test cream with 2,000 IU's of HCG

Wonder where they get their regimens from...interesting

Test is too low.. Minimum of 100mgs per week to start IMO
HCG is waaayy too high! 250ius 2/wk is usually sufficient.. I like IM just for piece of mind
I don't understand what you mean by not converting? Converting to estrogen or DHT? Your estrogen must be sky high from doing 2000ius of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a week and that will make you feel horrible.. I think she meant your estrogen is the same as an 18 yr old girl.. That's my .02

You need to get your own copy of your labs and post them

 

[MonsterMedic]

Hello

Thank you for the response!

I am converting everything to estrogen...so yeah, she meant I have the estogen of an 18yr old female...but with an adams apple

I'll get my paws on my labs

So that amt of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can convert to estrogen?

That is interesting as another doc in Seattle had me on the exact same regimen...the test cream with 2,000 IU's of HCG

Wonder where they get their regimens from...interesting

The Cream is largely worthless. It sounds like they're following typical insurance companies formulary: Start with Cream and only change it to shots when you fight for it.

 

[MeatHead96]

Cream sucks and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is wayyyy too high.

 

[transcend2007]

Hey RJ, there is no substitute for IM testosterone. Creams, lotions, and potions (including oral troches) will not get you where you need to be. You require a professional. My advise is to get with Chip and get your real hrt/trt protocol moving. Lifes too short to be a gini-pig for those practitioners who really don't deal with hrt/trt everyday.

2,000 iu's of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) weekly seems excessive to me.

 

[cjw2021]

You need an aromatase inhibitor such as letrozole, not herbs. You need shots, not gel. Gel is worthless - aromatase enzyme is all over the skin and will convert it all to estrogen and raise your shbg in the process...the gel will probably kill you before it will help you.

So let me get this straight, your doctor is saying that taking pregnenolone will slow the conversion of testosterone to estrogen or dht? How much preg did she prescribe? Transdermal? I am interested in this idea. Are you sure progesterone has the same desired t conversion slowing effect as pregnenolone?

 

[RonJeremy]

Thanks everyone for the replies. It sounds like the protocol my doc has me on sucks so I think I will be making the switch

You need an aromatase inhibitor such as letrozole, not herbs. You need shots, not gel. Gel is worthless - aromatase enzyme is all over the skin and will convert it all to estrogen and raise your shbg in the process...the gel will probably kill you before it will help you.

So let me get this straight, your doctor is saying that taking pregnenolone will slow the conversion of testosterone to estrogen or dht? How much preg did she prescribe? Transdermal? I am interested in this idea. Are you sure progesterone has the same desired t conversion slowing effect as pregnenolone?

I am not sure how much preg...I'll have to check whe I get home

The progesterone idea is from Doctor William Wong...he knows his shit

5-10 mgs per day..so just a little
According to him..and in my research, Prog is really good for those with swollen prostates as well(and to help prevent that from occuring)

-Mark

 

[TR2838]

The progesterone theory is really interesting.. Does Dr. Wong have a website? Does he post studies? I'm interested in the prostate health aspect considering my father died from prostate cancer.. Not the way I want to die- for sure!