What is a "effective" TT on a cycle?

We have a member who has enlarged heart. His name is Shovel.

He used 2 gr of Testosterone !

steroidology.com/forum/members/shovel.html

Just stop.

There's a difference between risk, and certainty. You MIGHT (risk) die on the way to work/school today is not the same as you WILL die (certainty) on the way to work/school today.
 
Just stop.

There's a difference between risk, and certainty. You MIGHT (risk) die on the way to work/school today is not the same as you WILL die (certainty) on the way to work/school today.

So tell me, if my blood pressure, RBC, HCT are OK, my heart won't be enlarged? Let us know?
 
Very informative. Looks like something is working for you. :-) I know two short guys that take the same amount of T dose every week, endlessly. One is on 500mg + winstrel and he's shredded, very muscular, but only in snug clothing could you tell he had lots of muscle. The other guy is on 1000mg (so one vial) a week and he's huge but not defined. I mean you just look at him and he looks like the hulk. Big muscles but some fat covering those muscle. So maybe the 1000mg/week gets a person bigger, as it should if genetics were equal.

their diet, training, and genetics are going to be the primary determining factor on how these guys look (if all things were the same, and they each were taking the same 750mg dose of test a week they would still have the look they have now).

some physique models take a shit ton more AAS then some of the heavy weight IFBB bodybuilders, and they look drastically different. One would assume that the bodybuilder takes more gear, but thats not always the case.

Also, some guys are 'hyper responders' to both AAS use and exercise. They grow at a much faster and accelerated rate then everyone else. It does not mean they are taking MORE gear then anyone else it just means they respond well to the combination of gear and training.

- a type of hyper responder, is someone that is hypogonadal and then gets that test deficiency fixed through trt. even though the guy is only running 200mg a week, he may get a very big anabolic response out of that. his total test levels may be in the 900 ng/dl range, but being he was deficient for so long, that 900 is a huge number for him.

I for example, when I got on TRT, put on 30 pounds of muscle and my bench press increased 120 pounds . Most guys can't get that out of the craziest most extreme AAS cycle that they can put together , I got it out of just 200mg of test. All because I got a huge anabolic response from correcting my life long testosterone deficiency.

so really , its very individual , and NOT necessarily dose dependent.
 
So tell me, if my blood pressure, RBC, HCT are OK, my heart won't be enlarged? Let us know?

It doesn't work that way. RBC/HCT being under control reduces your chances of a stroke or clotting. Blood pressure pressure being in a healthy range reduces the risks of organ damage and venous destruction.

As these are connected to the heart, of course they're factors by association alone. :p

Medicine doesn't even know fully what causes LVH beyond strain on the left ventricle, causing an imbalance. Hell, read the risk factors some time; they're the exact same as everything else that will kill you: age, obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular health, smoking, et cetera.

I'd love to look into my crystal ball and tell you how you're going to die, but unfortunately I'm not a psychic or time traveler - so you're just going to have to try to live healthy like the rest of us.

Just don't go pushing ideas on others without being able to show definitive proof. There is a member on here that I have the utmost respect for, and he DOES believe it to be a potential risk - but he is waiting (like me) for it to become fact before stating AAS adds to the risk. ;)
 
Halfape I was joking in that I m a mess mentally...not bragging about the avi.

But my heart s in great shape; all my internal s are actually. My point was my TT has been ridic high for ridic length s of time..2.5 decades ago.
 
It doesn't work that way. RBC/HCT being under control reduces your chances of a stroke or clotting. Blood pressure pressure being in a healthy range reduces the risks of organ damage and venous destruction.

As these are connected to the heart, of course they're factors by association alone. :p

Medicine doesn't even know fully what causes LVH beyond strain on the left ventricle, causing an imbalance. Hell, read the risk factors some time; they're the exact same as everything else that will kill you: age, obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular health, smoking, et cetera.

I'd love to look into my crystal ball and tell you how you're going to die, but unfortunately I'm not a psychic or time traveler - so you're just going to have to try to live healthy like the rest of us.

Just don't go pushing ideas on others without being able to show definitive proof. There is a member on here that I have the utmost respect for, and he DOES believe it to be a potential risk - but he is waiting (like me) for it to become fact before stating AAS adds to the risk. ;)

If 5000 ng/dl won't enlarge heart for 6 months, using all the time 1500 ng/dl shouldn't enlarge your heart. Why don't use 1500 ng/dl for better libido/sex etc?
 
If 5000 ng/dl won't enlarge heart for 6 months, using all the time 1500 ng/dl shouldn't enlarge your heart. Why don't use 1500 ng/dl for better libido/sex etc?

Some folks do. I don't understand the question here.

If this is about INSURANCE COVERED TRT, odds are that you will be asked to be at a conservative value as medicine is about normalization, NOT optimization.
 
Halfape I was joking in that I m a mess mentally...not bragging about the avi.

But my heart s in great shape; all my internal s are actually. My point was my TT has been ridic high for ridic length s of time..2.5 decades ago.

If the avi is you, I'm impressed. And with that rep power, I'd trust you for advice. :-)
If I understand you, you had very high TT for extended periods of time 25 years ago. By the looks of the avi, you're either still getting some high TT numbers or your genetically gifted. lol.(A compiiment) Can you tell us how you get an avi like that????
 
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I use a camera ?????

Seriously. When asked by some ( and I m way overrated here brother. I m Milton s hammer around here ) "What do you for x body part ? "
And again I m nothing special but younger or smaller guy s looking for short cut s or some actual advice , my standard answer is-

Train w weights 1 to 1.5 hours a day 5 or 6 days a week for 32 years now.

In my youth I abused the heck out of AAS. Reckless and very naïve as most young bucks are..

My cycles now are low low low dose. I just really love to train and love to eat.

TY for the compliment.
 
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Some folks do. I don't understand the question here.

If this is about INSURANCE COVERED TRT, odds are that you will be asked to be at a conservative value as medicine is about normalization, NOT optimization.

Listen. If 6000-7000 ng/dl testosterone won't enlarge heart for 4-5 months, 1500 ng/dl TRT dose should NOT enlarge my heart.

So if I use 1500 ng/dl all the time, my heart will be fine?
 
Listen. If 6000-7000 ng/dl testosterone won't enlarge heart for 4-5 months, 1500 ng/dl TRT dose should NOT enlarge my heart.

So if I use 1500 ng/dl all the time, my heart will be fine?

You're like a fly at a picnic. I keep swatting and you don't go away. Anyways where did you get your bro facts? what makes you think 1500 MG/WEEK will give you 6000-7000TT? Why would anyone here give you a guarantee that you will be fine if you abuse AAS? You can't be more than 16 or 18. Focus on your education and make something of yourself, young fella. I know that's harder to do than poke needles in yourself, but in the end you will be better off. ((I must be bored to even reply. Reminder to self - get a life)))
 
Listen. If 6000-7000 ng/dl testosterone won't enlarge heart for 4-5 months, 1500 ng/dl TRT dose should NOT enlarge my heart.

So if I use 1500 ng/dl all the time, my heart will be fine?

to obtain 1500 ng/dl levels of test , may only require 200 mg a week of test .. so, ummm yeah, you'll be fine running that all the time (provided your proactive with everything else that comes with TRT)
 
Kid got me to blow my temper, and that isn't easy to do - ESPECIALLY over the Internet.

Well the reason is because you have good intentions and you really try to help all those who ask. But we're wasting time on this little fellow. He's on here just for the attention. So I say:

Members - Replying to his comments is equal to feeding the pigeons and wondering why there is bird shit on your house. lol
 
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