What is an Ideal for a first cycle?

[glubgawd]

Thanks Guys!

The one on Deca some will hate but it helped out alot of people too

Not sure how anyone could hate an article on deca?

All that needs to be said is right here:

"deca wins at life"

the end.

 

[OMEGA]

well i think if I clarify who its written for it wont make anyone mad.
I assumed some things that I cant prove yet I know work



I posted it on Elite a place I do work at and it was Loved. I posted on Rxmuscle and some guys got mad ( they were more hardcore)

I wrote the article for those who are novices/ or lower dose users

 

[glubgawd]

well i think if I clarify who its written for it wont make anyone mad.
I assumed some things that I cant prove yet I know work



I posted it on Elite a place I do work at and it was Loved. I posted on Rxmuscle and some guys got mad ( they were more hardcore)

I wrote the article for those who are novices/ or lower dose users

*shrug* i just read it. nothing to freak out over imo. I definitely disagree with most of your points/claims, but it's so dependent on the individual person and the way their body handles stuff that it's not awful advice for a newb.

For example, 1:4 and 1:3 ratio isn't true for everyone. I frequently run higher levels of deca than test and have 0 sides. Don't even need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or caber. But that's definitely not true for everyone.

I am curious as to where you got the 333mg max dosage number though. There's a HUGE difference in gains between 300mg and 400mg deca in my experience. Even more difference between 400mg and 500mg deca.

Also, deca won't "heal" anything. Ask just about any NFL trainer/doc....they've been trying this for years with no success whatsoever.

 

[OMEGA]

see what i mean lol

I will respond this week.

I can say that those who run high doses without sides have a blessed endocrine system and they take it for granted.

The rest of us love/hate deca and I wrote what i think is the sweet spot doses and uses for them so people will find the fast route on how to use it and make the most out of it.

so when i share why i disagree, i will be respectful, but cant really debate you.

 

[glubgawd]

see what i mean lol

I will respond this week.

I can say that those who run high doses without sides have a blessed endocrine system and they take it for granted.

The rest of us love/hate deca and I wrote what i think is the sweet spot doses and uses for them so people will find the fast route on how to use it and make the most out of it.

so when i share why i disagree, i will be respectful, but cant really debate you.

nah i wasn't meaning to debate in any way. Like i said in the first paragraph - it's SO subjective based on the person. I was just giving an example of how different the effects of these compounds can be from person to person. I am definitely in the very small minority though when it comes to lack of sides.

I think the advice you give is solid for a first time user....deca sides SUCK and tons of people get them even with low doses.

 

[OMEGA]

Thanks for the Kind words

No Im saying I wont debate you because I will lose, or not have it be 'universally applicable'

Deca is so nuanced for the side prone, yet it helps so much too ( joints) ( again just for the segment I will reach)


May I ask you, do you run Tren with little sides as well?

 

[ronnie2010]

Omega if you have the time can you respond to my questions above ^^^ about dosage? Thanks again.

 

[workoutfreak078]

hcg def has a place in all ways, it just depend on you

how do you use it?

Userat204 how do you use the Igfl3 20 mcg a day or 40? or more?

evidence suggest 20 still dose a good job

My fav post cycle therapy (pct) that all seem to recover fast with on 10 week cycle or less is this sans hcg

Aromasen 20 mgs a day 3-4 weeks
Clomid 50 mgs a day 3-4 weeks

Supps to add:
Daspartic Acid 3 grams per day
Aclethyl Carnitine 2 grams per day
Actyl trysone 1 gram per day

Glutamanine Peptides ( 30-50 grams a day)
Creatine 5-7

IgFl3 was thinking 20 mcg a day as well up to 40

I feel as if 20mgs of Aromasin ED during post cycle therapy (pct) is overkill. Wouldn't that just completely crush your estrogen? I know everybody is different, but I ran 12.5mg ED of Aromasin during my cycle last year, and during post cycle therapy (pct) and that just killed my estrogen. My libido was tanked and I felt like crap. Aromasin is pretty powerful, and I know the half-life for males is only 8.9 hours, but do you think taking it EOD or E3D would be a better approach during post cycle therapy (pct) or would you still suggest ED? I am talking a 12.5mg dose here.

 

[glubgawd]

May I ask you, do you run Tren with little sides as well?

Yup....actually the only compounds that give me noticeable sides are winnie (which i hate anyways) and anadrol.

I get some sides when I run deca and tren in the same cycle, but nothing crazy. I definitely need to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and caber with that though.

 

[DADAWG]

Gains tend to stall at week 8 unless you up the mgs for a longer cycle
longer cycle generally = more suppression and harder PCT

as far as the Var, point is an oral will initiate gains faster in those first weeks till peak plasma of Test is had

99% of the time gains stall in a cycle because the cycler has made significant weight gains during the cycle and HAS NOT upped his calorie intake to compensate for that extra weight.
if you start a cycle at 200 pounds and your eating 3500 calories [ just a example / random number] and then after 8-10 weeks you now weigh 220 pounds the 3500 calories is juat a manitainence dose and more calories need to be added to keep growing.

 

[OMEGA]

99% of the time gains stall in a cycle because the cycler has made significant weight gains during the cycle and HAS NOT upped his calorie intake to compensate for that extra weight.
if you start a cycle at 200 pounds and your eating 3500 calories [ just a example / random number] and then after 8-10 weeks you now weigh 220 pounds the 3500 calories is juat a manitainence dose and more calories need to be added to keep growing.

but there is a point to where total mgs will be only as anabolic as can be for that individual based on genetics
So even with roids there is a ceiling up to a point to where more Calories wont = more muscle.

 

[DADAWG]

but there is a point to where total mgs will be only as anabolic as can be for that individual based on genetics
So even with roids there is a ceiling up to a point to where more Calories wont = more muscle.

there is a limit but the length of the cycle isnt the issue . im a fan of longer moderate dose cycles slow steady gains tend to become permenant gains because the body has had time to adjus to the extra weight IMO.

 

[OMEGA]

there is a limit but the length of the cycle isnt the issue . im a fan of longer moderate dose cycles slow steady gains tend to become permenant gains because the body has had time to adjus to the extra weight IMO.

I see.
Then most are perhaps not fully utilizing what they could be.

Then any solutions?

 

[DADAWG]

I see.
Then most are perhaps not fully utilizing what they could be.

Then any solutions?

solutions ?

not sure what your asking , im just saying that IMO slow an steady wins the race . longer moderate cycles give solid keepable gains and due to the moderate doses have mininum side effects. i dont see anything wrong with switching compounds during cycles if you feel like it but i do believe in at least a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose / test base to go with anything else you run.

 

[ktek3]

Whats enathate?

 

[OMEGA]

longer ester of testostone

 

[OMEGA]

up

 

[OMEGA]

hope all is well guys!

 

[OMEGA]

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[OMEGA]

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