What to stack with H-Drol?

[ballerific]

Hey sooooo I've been gathering all my resources for my upcoming Helladrol cycle, and it's gotten pretty expensive. I want to make sure I get solid results out of this, so I'm thinking I should stack something with it to get a little more bang for my buck if that makes sense. After reading logs and whatnot I'm starting to doubt H-Drol alone will be enough.

I'm 21 6'1 190 looking to lean up around my stomach, and increase my bench mainly, but also shoulders and arms. I'll be following a high protein diet, and plan to run a workout regiment on a 4 day cycle: chest/back, shoulders/bi's, legs/tri's, day off, repeat. I'll be doing cardio as well 3 days a week, and some ab-work about every other day.

So far for my cycle I have been preloading milk thistle and hawthorn berry and will run Helladrol and Cycle Assist for 6 weeks. My PCT consists of PCT Assist, Erase Pro, Creatine Mono and Torem. I also have Taurine, Glucosamine, and a Multi-Vitamin as other support supplements.

Through my research I've found that the most common things to stack with it are Katanadrol, P-Stanz, and Stano-Drol, but would like some opinions/suggestions on what would be best for my individual situation and goals. Originally I was going to stack Katanadrol, but I'm not sure if I want to do that anymore and am leaning for towards Stano-Drol. Any comments or suggestions from personal experience on what I should stack would be awesome! Thanks guys.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Stano would work well IMO.
Since you did say you are trying to cut some fat though, katana would be a great choice. Just make sure you're taking your supports and grab a natty T booster with some fadogia like HCGenerate or something with bulbine like Phytoserms. My experience with both of those has been some of the most enjoyable PCT's ever.
Don't beat yourself up over spending a lot for your cycle, first of all it's a price you've gotta be willing to pay, and secondly when you take the time like that to get it all set up, you're just setting yourself up for the best cycle possible.
Good luck!

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey sooooo I've been gathering all my resources for my upcoming Helladrol cycle, and it's gotten pretty expensive. I want to make sure I get solid results out of this, so I'm thinking I should stack something with it to get a little more bang for my buck if that makes sense. After reading logs and whatnot I'm starting to doubt H-Drol alone will be enough.

I'm 21 6'1 190 looking to lean up around my stomach, and increase my bench mainly, but also shoulders and arms. I'll be following a high protein diet, and plan to run a workout regiment on a 4 day cycle: chest/back, shoulders/bi's, legs/tri's, day off, repeat. I'll be doing cardio as well 3 days a week, and some ab-work about every other day.

So far for my cycle I have been preloading milk thistle and hawthorn berry and will run Helladrol and Cycle Assist for 6 weeks. My post cycle therapy (pct) consists of post cycle therapy (pct) Assist, Erase Pro, Creatine Mono and Torem. I also have Taurine, Glucosamine, and a Multi-Vitamin as other support supplements.

Through my research I've found that the most common things to stack with it are Katanadrol, P-Stanz, and Stano-Drol, but would like some opinions/suggestions on what would be best for my individual situation and goals. Originally I was going to stack Katanadrol, but I'm not sure if I want to do that anymore and am leaning for towards Stano-Drol. Any comments or suggestions from personal experience on what I should stack would be awesome! Thanks guys.

if you are thinking helladrol alone is not enough then you are mistaken my friend... i gained 15 lbs. on it... body fat dropped from 7% to 6% and strength went through the f'ng roof... so if you run the cycle properly and train properly, it can produce significant gains...

i do like the fact you are using torem with it... i loved torem with it...

if you are really set on running a stack then what fl3x recommended is a good option but honestly, hella and katana were made for each other... its an awesome stack...

never spare any expense when it comes to a cycle... money should not be an issue... if it is, you shouldn't run one period... i think your headed in the right direction but it needs a little touching up...

 

[ballerific]

Have you run H-Drol with either of those two? It's not much fat, mainly just want to tighten it up a little bit and from what I've heard H-Drol will do that alone.. Not sure about my BF%, but my top four abs are clearly defined not flexing. And then in post cycle therapy (pct) I'll be running Erase which should help with that as well? So I guess I'm looking for something that will give me good dry gains to compliment what I will get from the H-Drol.. if that makes sense

 

[ballerific]

@Dylan It's not a huge issue, but it is a concern being a college student. What kind of touching up would you suggest? I've already ordered the Cycle assist and post cycle therapy (pct) assist and just got Torem/Helladrol in the mail today. Also @Flex - isn't post cycle therapy (pct) assist a natty test booster?

 

[mlupi319]

Orals should be stacked w/ test for the best results. You don't really want to be shut down with no external supply of test.

 

[Methodology]

Question? I was thinking about this stack as well, with Tribulus as a test booster, would I have to work out harder to see gains, or just do what I always been doing?

 

[dylangemelli]

@Dylan It's not a huge issue, but it is a concern being a college student. What kind of touching up would you suggest? I've already ordered the Cycle assist and post cycle therapy (pct) assist and just got Torem/Helladrol in the mail today. Also @Flex - isn't post cycle therapy (pct) assist a natty test booster?

here's how i recommend it...

hella 75/75/75/100/100/125
n2guard
fish oil
forma stanzol - start mid cycle, run through post cycle therapy (pct)
creatine nitrate

post cycle therapy (pct)
torem 90/60/60/30
unleashed
pes anabeta
need2slin
lean xtreme
creatine nitrate...

you have a lot of this covered but what you don't, i would look into...

 

[ballerific]

Okay thanks Dylan. Do I really need that many test boosters coming off H-Drol? Or were those just some suggestions of good ones to research? It looks like unleashed, anabeta, and need2slin are all test boosters from what I've read.

 

[dylangemelli]

Okay thanks Dylan. Do I really need that many test boosters coming off H-Drol? Or were those just some suggestions of good ones to research? It looks like unleashed, anabeta, and need2slin are all test boosters from what I've read.

need2slin is not a test booster... it deals with glucose... unleashed and anabeta will suffice... you could do unleashed and daa as well but anabeta is really where its at bro...

 

[mlupi319]

Personally I don't think you need that much in your post cycle therapy (pct). Those products are over priced for what they actually do.

For post cycle therapy (pct) run a serm (clomid, nolva, or torem). The best thing to add to a serm for max post cycle therapy (pct) results is to run another serm! All that other crap don't do sh*t compared to serms. Other than that possibly run DAA.

Note: Normally you would run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle and during post cycle therapy (pct) as well but H-drol doesn't aromatise.

 

[mlupi319]

Question? I was thinking about this stack as well, with Tribulus as a test booster, would I have to work out harder to see gains, or just do what I always been doing?

Don't waste your money on tribulus..Buy pure bulk DAA and dose at 3grams/ day for test boost

 

[ballerific]

Personally I don't think you need that much in your post cycle therapy (pct). Those products are over priced for what they actually do.

For post cycle therapy (pct) run a serm (clomid, nolva, or torem). The best thing to add to a serm for max post cycle therapy (pct) results is to run another serm! All that other crap don't do sh*t compared to serms. Other than that possibly run DAA.

Note: Normally you would run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle and during post cycle therapy (pct) as well but H-drol doesn't aromatise.

So what your saying is the Erase Pro I bought won't be useful for me this cycle? I should save it for another time?

 

[mlupi319]

@Dylan It's not a huge issue, but it is a concern being a college student. What kind of touching up would you suggest? I've already ordered the Cycle assist and post cycle therapy (pct) assist and just got Torem/Helladrol in the mail today. Also @Flex - isn't post cycle therapy (pct) assist a natty test booster?

Bro that will work fine. Everyone has preferences but
1. you got your ph and a sup to protect you while on
2. you also got your serm and a natty test booster for post cycle therapy (pct).

That's prime in my book. If there was 1 thing that would be wise to add is something for libido...and it seems some of the top libido sups are

HCGenerate (Fodogia, danavil, tribulus)
Testalensis 100 (Danival, Bulbine, Fodogia)
Sustain Alpha (Trans-resveratrol, 7,8 benzoflavone)
PhtyoSerms (Bulbine, Divanil)

But honestly libido wouldn't be a problem if you ran test..

 

[mlupi319]

So what your saying is the Erase Pro I bought won't be useful for me this cycle? I should save it for another time?

I would def save the erase pro...

And damn isn't that like 60$ for a months supply?

 

[ballerific]

Okay HCGenerate and Phytoserms are both pretty expensive so I'll be going with one of the other two if they're all pretty much the same. And yeah, somebody was telling me I needed an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and I was at GNC and that's all they had :\ Thanks for the advice bro

 

[TheDarkHalf]

If you were going to stack anything with Hdrol I'd pick one of the following non-methyl PHs and run them at the following doses (assuming your hdrol run is a 6 weeker which it should be IMO):

Trenazone: 2ml for 6 wk
EQ-Plex/Bold (if you can find it): 800mg-1000mg for 6 wk
11-oxo: 800mg-1000mg for 6wk
Katanadrol V2 (or a clone) - 300-400mg + for 6 wk

those would be my choices if I was going to stack

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Erase Pro will indirectly increase your body's natural test output. By the way it blocks estrogen, your body sees it has low estrogen, therefore prompting your nutz to make more test, because how does your body make estrogen? It aromatises from testosterone. Well thanks to the blocked conversion what you are left with is high test levels without high estrogen. Get it?
So if you are set on using EP since you already have it, yes, by all means use it. In PCT that is. You will have your estrogen control, test balancing, and cortisol control all in one supp. But I still highly recommend adding in some source of fadogia or bulbine strictly for libido, and at VERY least grab some bulk DAA powder to keep your strength gains. NTBM sells theirs at a very reasonable price if you are interested, use code needto139 for 15% off.
Google "omega t-force" and you should find it cheap for two bottles, since you cant afford the HCGen right now. Please try the HCGen out down the road though if you can though man, I promise you wont regret it.

 

[ballerific]

So I would take T-Force in addition to post cycle therapy (pct) Assist + Erase Pro + DAA + Torem? I was thinking about buying Lean Xtreme for cortisol control to use instead of Erase Pro and save the EP for another cycle - what do you think about that? And will that post cycle therapy (pct) plan be solid for H-drol stacked with either katanadrol or stanodrol?

 

[dylangemelli]

Erase Pro will indirectly increase your body's natural test output. By the way it blocks estrogen, your body sees it has low estrogen, therefore prompting your nutz to make more test, because how does your body make estrogen? It aromatises from testosterone. Well thanks to the blocked conversion what you are left with is high test levels without high estrogen. Get it?
So if you are set on using EP since you already have it, yes, by all means use it. In post cycle therapy (pct) that is. You will have your estrogen control, test balancing, and cortisol control all in one supp. But I still highly recommend adding in some source of fadogia or bulbine strictly for libido, and at VERY least grab some bulk DAA powder to keep your strength gains. NTBM sells theirs at a very reasonable price if you are interested, use code needto139 for 15% off.
Google "omega t-force" and you should find it cheap for two bottles, since you cant afford the HCGen right now. Please try the HCGen out down the road though if you can though man, I promise you wont regret it.

absolutely excellent info right here...