What would you reccommend for a first cycle?

[muscleforlife]

Hello, thinking about my first cycle and need your help/advise please...

Im 27yo, almost 200lbs and have been working out for about five years+. Taking it basic with protein and creatine only. Although Ive made decent gains over the years, I think its time to take things to the next level...

After the research I've done and before doing any cycles, I would like your input/feedback...

Planning to run Test E for 10 to 12 weeks.

test E 500mg/week

PCT Nolva/clomid lasting for 4 to 6 weeks.

Thoughts? too much/too little?

Again, Im a newbie and know little about this. HELP!

 

[TommyTrainR]

welcome to the site. good call with the test e as your first cycle. 500mg is good. for pct no need to run both.. pick either nolva or clomid. also keep an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand throughout cycle.

cant discuss prices on here

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Welcome to the board !!

Two things;

1- Please read the RULES before posting anything else.

2- You need do lots of research BEFORE you embark on this journey, it is very obvious that you don't know very much by asking about PCT during the cycle.

We are here to help you, but you need to do your due diligence first, we cannot walk you through every step of this.

 

[TommyTrainR]

thanks for the reply.

of the two pct's which would you recommend? (which also leads me to this question: pct after cycle or during?). Thnks again.

Personally, I'm up in the air on nolva/clomid. I can't choose one or the other since I haven't started my cycle yet. There are mixed opinions. Some say clomid is better, but some argue the sides are a little too much, so it's up to you personally. I'd say give clomid a shot and see how it affects you. Some get real emotional on it while others don't. And PCT = Post Cycle Therapy, so it would come after your cycle.

 

[muscleforlife]

Welcome to the board !!

Two things;

1- Please read the RULES before posting anything else.

2- You need do lots of research BEFORE you embark on this journey, it is very obvious that you don't know very much by asking about PCT during the cycle.

We are here to help you, but you need to do your due diligence first, we cannot walk you through every step of this.

i thought i did. maybe i missed something... (im aware now on what :/)

BRB, researching PCT

thnks

 

[muscleforlife]

Personally, I'm up in the air on nolva/clomid. I can't choose one or the other since I haven't started my cycle yet. There are mixed opinions. Some say clomid is better, but some argue the sides are a little too much, so it's up to you personally. I'd say give clomid a shot and see how it affects you. Some get real emotional on it while others don't. And PCT = Post Cycle Therapy, so it would come after your cycle.

i swear i knew this... lol im an idiot

 

[muscleforlife]

Im also thinking about adding Dbol at 20 to 30 mg ED. Run it for 4 or 6 weeks... thoughts?
Also, anyone think I should use HCG? I just might...

Input on wether I should use Nolva or Clomid? I keep reading good and bad for both. (and should these start a week after the cycle ends?)

 

[livebigdieyoung]

i would hold off on the dbol till your next cycle, you will make incredible gains this cycle with test only. its your first cycle and if you do it properly it will be something special! personally i prefer clomid 50/50/50/50, and you start 2 weeks after your last injection. if you use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) i would start at week 5 of your cycle. 500iu's a week split into two shots of 250iu's. bro do a lot more research cuse this is something that needs it!

 

[muscleforlife]

i would hold off on the dbol till your next cycle, you will make incredible gains this cycle with test only. its your first cycle and if you do it properly it will be something special! personally i prefer clomid 50/50/50/50, and you start 2 weeks after your last injection. if you use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) i would start at week 5 of your cycle. 500iu's a week split into two shots of 250iu's. bro do a lot more research cuse this is something that needs it!

thanks man. ill leave the dbol for the next one.

ive been doing PLENTY of research... the topic is confusing however... many names, amounts, purposes etc... im getting there...

ive thought about doing a cycle right out of high school really, decided to take it the natural way for a while... now that i have, im just ready for whats next

 

[snigg]

test enanthate 500mg weekly, split into two injections of 250mg for 12 weeks
aromasin 12.5mg ed, or eod during cycle
hcg 250iu's twice a week weeks 3-13 1/2

pct of clomid at 50mg daily for 4 weeks. or nolva at 40mg daily for 2 weeks, 20mg daily for the following 2.

mmk?

 

[jjtattoofreak]

I personally dont run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with mine , but I have it on hand in case, I have had no real signs of gyno..

 

[Scarz]

My position of what the best first time cycle should look like is:

wks 1-10
test prop 100mg/every other day

No ai
No bloat
No kick start oral steroid
No high risk gyno
Immediate results
Excellent lean gains
Shorter than 12 wks
Less weekly mg

Bro-tology concept is "test enth 500mg for 12 weeks for first cycle". Why??? because "men" are afraid the prop "injection" might "hurt". If anyone's afraid of some minor injection pain, then they're not ready for steroids. Besides, what I don't understand is how prop should be used in 2nd or 3rd cycle but not first cycle. Does prop say "oh, it's his first cycle, let's cause some pain"? If you're going to use it anyway, you mind as well use it now. The first cycle should be the "safest" cycle, quick in and out.

 

[Scarz]

can anyone disagree with my opinion of what a first cycle should be?

 

[muscleforlife]

My position of what the best first time cycle should look like is:

wks 1-10
test prop 100mg/every other day

No ai
No bloat
No kick start oral steroid
No high risk gyno
Immediate results
Excellent lean gains
Shorter than 12 wks
Less weekly mg

Bro-tology concept is "test enth 500mg for 12 weeks for first cycle". Why??? because "men" are afraid the prop "injection" might "hurt". If anyone's afraid of some minor injection pain, then they're not ready for steroids. Besides, what I don't understand is how prop should be used in 2nd or 3rd cycle but not first cycle. Does prop say "oh, it's his first cycle, let's cause some pain"? If you're going to use it anyway, you mind as well use it now. The first cycle should be the "safest" cycle, quick in and out.

do tell me more... and why not what i had planned?

 

[Scarz]

You can certainly go ahead with test enth for 10-12 weeks as planned.
I was only responding to the question in the title of your thread.

 

[muscleforlife]

You can certainly go ahead with test enth for 10-12 weeks as planned.
I was only responding to the question in the title of your thread.

well yeah, but would you recommend yours instead? you pointed out some pros

 

[Scarz]

ofcourse. there r 10 reasons for prop for firct cycle. and there is one reason for test enth for first cycle. u do the math.

 

[drewbolic]

welcome,hang around and read up, you'll find answers to your questions.

 

[snigg]

scarz you feel a noob should be injecting EOD? Why not run Enan for the first cycle and inject 2x/week so you can learn the ropes as far as injecting goes?

 

[Scarz]

snigg please rephrase your question(s)