buildingpaul
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As the title really......Wondering why low Test levels can cause anxiety?
Why can low-T cause anxiety?
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Megatron28
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Hormone imbalances can affect you with anxiety and other similar issues.
buildingpaul
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Some guys have been on very high doses of Valium, Klonopin, Xanax etc and with TRT they have been able to withdraw from these drugs far easier whilst on Testosterone.......Me being me and look in to everything with great detail, I wonder why being on Testosterone has eased a lot of the withdrawal symptoms?
Megatron28
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See post #2.
buildingpaul
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But coming off an extremely strong drug bud, Klonopin for example has said to be stronger than heroin and some people have tried many many times to withdraw with zero success.....Yet reading on some of the Benzo forums Men who are using Testosterone seem to find it a lot easier to withdraw from......Interesting.
halfwit
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Testosterone is a key hormone needed for more than just the anabolic/androgenic traits we expect. It is also a key part of maintaining balance within several other systems in the body.
As Megatron stated above, when there isn't enough testosterone to maintain this systemic balance, negative side effects can be experienced.
Serotonin, endorphins, the thyroid hormones (not looking up how to spell them haha, although triiidothyroxine is t3 I believe), insulin resistance, cortisol and adrenaline are all affected among many others. If your body cannot control this balance and say serotonin levels fall (for example), you become depressed.
Another key reason for anxiety is that there needs to be an optimal ratio between testosterone and estradiol. As estradiol is also a key hormone involved in many systems, the CNS (Central Nervous System) will exhibit undesirable effects. In fact, scientists have discovered the receptor in the hypothalamus responsible for the release of powerful mood altering hormones - which responds to both sex hormones. (I believe it's called CRF1) It is postulated that too much or too little of either will cause the receptor to respond with undesirable effects. I'd imagine that this is meant as a way to help us know when to fix certain aspects of our lives, but sadly we never got the owner's manual for the human body and science has to reverse engineer what it can to figure it out.
This is also the reason why we cannot obliterate estradiol either, as it is also important for our physical and mental health.
Sorry if I went too far into detail here, but I figured some folks would want a little insight into why it's so important that we try to keep things functioning properly. I admit I'm missing some details here, but figured it was enough to get the point across.
My .02c
As Megatron stated above, when there isn't enough testosterone to maintain this systemic balance, negative side effects can be experienced.
Serotonin, endorphins, the thyroid hormones (not looking up how to spell them haha, although triiidothyroxine is t3 I believe), insulin resistance, cortisol and adrenaline are all affected among many others. If your body cannot control this balance and say serotonin levels fall (for example), you become depressed.
Another key reason for anxiety is that there needs to be an optimal ratio between testosterone and estradiol. As estradiol is also a key hormone involved in many systems, the CNS (Central Nervous System) will exhibit undesirable effects. In fact, scientists have discovered the receptor in the hypothalamus responsible for the release of powerful mood altering hormones - which responds to both sex hormones. (I believe it's called CRF1) It is postulated that too much or too little of either will cause the receptor to respond with undesirable effects. I'd imagine that this is meant as a way to help us know when to fix certain aspects of our lives, but sadly we never got the owner's manual for the human body and science has to reverse engineer what it can to figure it out.
This is also the reason why we cannot obliterate estradiol either, as it is also important for our physical and mental health.
Sorry if I went too far into detail here, but I figured some folks would want a little insight into why it's so important that we try to keep things functioning properly. I admit I'm missing some details here, but figured it was enough to get the point across.
My .02c
buildingpaul
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Thanks greatly halfwit. I am on the road to coming off Klonopin.....Going to succeed this time as I get say 5-8 days in to the withdrawal and the withdrawal effects kick in, they are just horrid so I take my dose back up again. Now I have a really good UGL so am hoping this will help me get off benzos and enable a normal life.
Just have to love being in the UK and the Dr's not helping at all with low T. They all say because I am 40 I am fine, and even bloods that have been as low as 202 they have still said I am fine......Thus self medicating. They are quick enough to prescribe klonopin and valium though.....seriously addictive and mind altering drugs, does not make any sense to me how they will frown at me if I even mutter the word Testosterone after what they have put me on!
Just have to love being in the UK and the Dr's not helping at all with low T. They all say because I am 40 I am fine, and even bloods that have been as low as 202 they have still said I am fine......Thus self medicating. They are quick enough to prescribe klonopin and valium though.....seriously addictive and mind altering drugs, does not make any sense to me how they will frown at me if I even mutter the word Testosterone after what they have put me on!
halfwit
I like turtles.
Sadly it's that way here too for many. My endo that sees me for diabetes did a dance for joy when the new FDA warning for testosterone was announced. She told me that any problems caused by hypogonadism can be solved with SSRI drugs and other pharmaceuticals.
I smiled at her and reminded her that's why she only sees me for diabetes. Ignorance exists everywhere brother - far too common in this day and age imo.
Gbrad
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You're a good man for simply smiling at her. That is what scares me about the damn lawyers jumping on this trt "study". These Peppermint Patty, know it all, self loathing female (or sissy ass male) docs, nps, pas, etc will push band aid pills like SSRIs to help us cope with serious issues otherwise very effectively treated with testosterone.
Sorry for the hijack. I feel better now lol
I was at my endo this week following up on some blood work, and while speaking with one of the NP's, found out she monitors her brother's TRT, and prescribes it for him. She said that the new government restrictions, and the way things are moving she believes that in the US no Test will be covered, under any circumstances, by Insurance. They don't want to pay for it, period. Also, more and more doc's are less and less likely to prescribe Testosterone, because of the potential legal risk. If 10 years down the road you develop prostate cancer (Which is their fear, because they believe Test causes prostate cancer, even though studies have shown there is no link) they don't want to get taken to court.
This is my main concern with TRT, is being able to get it for the long run. I'm only 37. The black market is strong, and taking the ability to get legal prescriptions will drive everyone to the black market. The question is what is the future of the internet, will we be restricted in the future? Maybe not to China's level, but if the powers that be had it their way there would definitely be restrictions in place. That's the only way to try and moderate unlawful activity. Otherwise it's as it is now, they can't really stop us. They can only catch a package here and there, take down a UGL, and then 3 more pop up.
This is my main concern with TRT, is being able to get it for the long run. I'm only 37. The black market is strong, and taking the ability to get legal prescriptions will drive everyone to the black market. The question is what is the future of the internet, will we be restricted in the future? Maybe not to China's level, but if the powers that be had it their way there would definitely be restrictions in place. That's the only way to try and moderate unlawful activity. Otherwise it's as it is now, they can't really stop us. They can only catch a package here and there, take down a UGL, and then 3 more pop up.
Alpin
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Testosterone is a key hormone needed for more than just the anabolic/androgenic traits we expect. It is also a key part of maintaining balance within several other systems in the body.
As Megatron stated above, when there isn't enough testosterone to maintain this systemic balance, negative side effects can be experienced.
Serotonin, endorphins, the thyroid hormones (not looking up how to spell them haha, although triiidothyroxine is t3 I believe), insulin resistance, cortisol and adrenaline are all affected among many others. If your body cannot control this balance and say serotonin levels fall (for example), you become depressed.
Another key reason for anxiety is that there needs to be an optimal ratio between testosterone and estradiol. As estradiol is also a key hormone involved in many systems, the CNS (Central Nervous System) will exhibit undesirable effects. In fact, scientists have discovered the receptor in the hypothalamus responsible for the release of powerful mood altering hormones - which responds to both sex hormones. (I believe it's called CRF1) It is postulated that too much or too little of either will cause the receptor to respond with undesirable effects. I'd imagine that this is meant as a way to help us know when to fix certain aspects of our lives, but sadly we never got the owner's manual for the human body and science has to reverse engineer what it can to figure it out.
This is also the reason why we cannot obliterate estradiol either, as it is also important for our physical and mental health.
Sorry if I went too far into detail here, but I figured some folks would want a little insight into why it's so important that we try to keep things functioning properly. I admit I'm missing some details here, but figured it was enough to get the point across.
My .02c
If the hypothalamus is shut down then estrogen is not functioning properly....its being supplemented in the body via T injections that convert some estradiol.
how does this pan out?
Alpin
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Alot of Endos are happy now with that announcement.
Gives them wiggle room to not treat low-normal hypogonadism.
halfwit
I like turtles.
My insurance doesn't cover testosterone even though it's saving them THOUSANDS of dollars a year. It's 46 bucks every two and a half months from the pharmacy, I'm sure you can afford that.
Aromatization is part of the CYP3A4 metabolic chain, which doesn't require the cooperation of the hypothalamus to facilitate conversion. I don't fully understand how it works, but I do know men that have breaks in the HPTA chain do experience elevated E2 with exogenous testosterone.
Shitty doctors don't need an excuse to be shitty, but they'll certainly welcome one.
halfwit
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It's listed at 100 bucks a 10ml vial, but there are coupon sites I use that they honor. Even at 100 dollars for 2.5 months, I'd gladly pay just to keep feeling the way I do.
Why can low T cause anxiety
Mental issues can cause physical problems. I suffer from many things but when I have an episode it affects my eating habits, sleep, function, the works. See what your doctor says about your tests as you are probably worrying over that as well. Anxiety can affect eating habits and the more you calm the easier it gets. Again, just find out what your tests come back as. It could shed light on some things or put your mind at a margin of ease.
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Mental issues can cause physical problems. I suffer from many things but when I have an episode it affects my eating habits, sleep, function, the works. See what your doctor says about your tests as you are probably worrying over that as well. Anxiety can affect eating habits and the more you calm the easier it gets. Again, just find out what your tests come back as. It could shed light on some things or put your mind at a margin of ease.
Wonderful plant ] arthritis medications or?.. "NoFlam". What do you make of it?
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