Why is age SUCH a big factor? (How does Jeff Seid do it?)

[paver18]

Hey guys, been browsing through these forums for quite awhile. I find it really interesting and still am unsure whether or not I will ever be 'enhanced'. I'm currently a 20 year old male, with nearly 2 years lifting experience, diet on point, etc. Sometimes I just want to take the plunge and look like a god at a young age. Jeff Seid, Zyzz kinda thing. I know I will be training for the rest of my life, so it's not like I just want something to do the work for me, it's just that it would be sick to be reaping the benefits of looking great while I'm like 22, instead of 30. I might even get on stage one day.

I'm listening and taking in what the experienced people on here are saying. "Don't even consider it under 25, 23" for certain reasons like growth plates fusing and the chance on being on trt for the rest of my life. I would just like to discuss with people why that is exactly, and answer a few questions in detail such as;

-How much more chance is there, honestly, when it comes to damaging your body, comparing when your early 20's to late 20's?

-Why did/does Zyzz, Jeff Seid and people like the local 20 year old in my town seem to be perfectly fine, and get girls no problem when they got on the gear in their teens (which obviously means everything manly is working correctly)? Even Rich Piana said he injected when he was 18, not even knowing what it was and he still has a full head of hair + everything else when he is now in his 40's

I'm very cautious when it comes to life/health in general, I would just like to talk to people that know what they are doing and have experience. I feel like this is the only place I can do it seeing as if you mention it to a doctor or something they talk about it like you insta-die, and I don't know anyone well enough, like the guy from my town to ask him about it.

 

[Hypnotix]

The simple truth of why it's this way, is everyone is different. Some people lose their hair, some their balls, some get acne.. Some recover from lifetimes of cycles, some never recover from a Test only run.

The reason 25 years old is preached is that your brain will most likely be fully developed at that age. The statical average you could say. With that in mind, the mods and admins have to only assume you're the average person and can only recommend that you wait at least until the age of 25 because of that.

If you believe you're genetically blessed and won't stop your brains development then go right ahead and use them. Most people around here just won't help you, given that you're not of age and have told you so.

The people who have been using since 18.. do you know them personally? It's really hard to say exactly what they may have missed out on, but if they are perfectly fine and fully developed than they are genetically blessed. There's really no way of telling if a person is going to be okay, unless they go against the grain and try it out.

Perhaps, another member could elaborate, Megatron would help with raw data here I'm sure.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I stopped reading at Zyzz...

But I won't be a prick. Don't go after that sort of lifestyle or serious AAS abuse in combination with erratic stimulant abuse, whether or not you have a good or bad heart. Not an influence you should be looking upto. Start looking up into real bodybuilders for inspiration and get researching on diet, training and steroids before taking the plunge. Fine tuning your ability on diet and training is what will make or break your results from steroids.

Use the search engine, make it your bitch. I'm 20, blast/cruise, but I have 4 years of knowledge and experience backing me up along with a body to show for it and will be on TRT... Well technically I am on TRT, scripted 250mg Test per week, adex, hcg (not currently using but will be added to protocol). But, take what you will, I know if you've got it in your mind your going to do it then that's your choice...I don't advocate AAS under the age of 20. But the responsible thing is to do it properly and know what your doing, a little knowledge goes far and a lot goes even further with AAS. A lot of the blokes on here will tell you to stay away, and the reality of it is you should be spending atleast the next 6 months hammering out diet and training, tweaking it, finding what works best for you etc etc and then start to consider steroids.

 

[paver18]

Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it. I always thought of the preached age thing to be completely to do with your body, not brain/thoughts. No I don't know these people personally, zyzz, Jeff Seid and Rich Piana are all 'online celebrities' when it comes to bodybuilding/fitness, and all use gear. I follow them on social media and watch there content, I have for some time now

 

[Hypnotix]

Hey I'd also like to mention that many pros on stage are in their thirties. If they can do it in their thirties, you can start at 25 and be very well off before you make it to their age.

Also, what are your stats? I'd like to see what diet on point has gotten you.

Height , Weight, BF%?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

The reality is, most people my age will do it regardless whether you tell them to not do it... And seriously, I would be more concerned about the dumb and harmful things people my age get up to. Solution? Don't advise not too, advise how to do it properly. Harm minimisation is the key here.

Paver, get researching man, in one night of solid research you should have plenty of basic knowledge on AAS... You would know what PCT is, Clomid, Nolva, know what and AI is, hCG... All that shit. But diet is your biggest factor in your results, and if you don't want to believe me, try it for yourself and see. Thank me later lol. If your really dead set on it, get in contact with 3J for a diet plan or just head over to the diet forum here.

 

[Hypnotix]

Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it. I always thought of the preached age thing to be completely to do with your body, not brain/thoughts. No I don't know these people personally, zyzz, Jeff Seid and Rich Piana are all 'online celebrities' when it comes to bodybuilding/fitness, and all use gear. I follow them on social media and watch there content, I have for some time now

Yeah, I know "who" they are but have no idea what they're like in person. I do know that Rich Piana dresses like he's 18, while Zyzz and Seid look like they're 15 and took roids. Those first impressions would leave me to believe they aren't completely "grown-up". But again, I don't know them personally and impressions are useless in this conversation

 

[paver18]

You say you are 20 and will be or trt? Does that mean you have done damage? I don't want the lifestyle of zyzz as such, I know the party drugs is what killed him and I'm not into that, I don't even drink, but it was the only people I know of off the top of my head that started at a very young age. Jeff especially

 

[paver18]

I'm 5'11, turned 20 in Nov, 168 lb at around 10.5% bf. Cutting right now (measured with calipers though)

 

[Hypnotix]

The reality is, most people my age will do it regardless whether you tell them to not do it... And seriously, I would be more concerned about the dumb and harmful things people my age get up to. Solution? Don't advise not too, advise how to do it properly. Harm minimisation is the key here.

Paver, get researching man, in one night of solid research you should have plenty of basic knowledge on AAS... You would know what PCT is, Clomid, Nolva, know what and AI is, hCG... All that shit. But diet is your biggest factor in your results, and if you don't want to believe me, try it for yourself and see. Thank me later lol. If your really dead set on it, get in contact with 3J for a diet plan or just head over to the diet forum here.

I will always recommend fixing diet first and to get with 3J about it.

Just to throw this out there, I'm 24. So, I'm not going to hark you about your age.. although I personally wouldn't start that young. I will, however, preach diet>training>steroids... Let's see stats and decide what we can do here to help.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Well long story short I was suffering symptoms of low T for well over a year, never touched any AAS or prohormones and my test levels came back at high 300s. I was already going to make the decision to jump on and cycle, but with levels like that blasting/cruising was inevitable and it has made such a positive impact that pinning myself twice a week is quite a small price in my eyes.

Still, most people might get sick of going to the pharmacy to pick up scripts, doing shots, seeing your doc and getting bloodwork every 3 months... But you're not me and I'm not the guy next to me. I've loved bodybuilding since I was 15, it's part of my lifestyle. If you do it, there's a line dividing safe use and negligible abuse.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I will always recommend fixing diet first and to get with 3J about it.

Just to throw this out there, I'm 24. So, I'm not going to hark you about your age.. although I personally wouldn't start that young. I will, however, preach diet>training>steroids... Let's see stats and decide what we can do here to help.

Absolutely, my ultimate point of my posts brother. That is the true formula to follow with this lifestyle.

 

[paver18]

"There's a line dividing safe use and abuse" that is a good statement. Abuse is something I'm pretty certain I would never do, but I still do pay attention to the psychological posts on here, understanding how the superman feel can effect you. What kind of symptoms are you talking about with low T? I don't think I have ever been checked

 

[Hypnotix]

I see, 5'10" 168.. that's rather light for your height to be considering the juice.

I'd also have to see a picture to believe 10%, calipers are only as good as the user. Takes an experienced hand to get a proper reading from them.

I'm going to assume 15% at the least, and in either case, drugs will not take you anywhere that food will not. For now at least. I recommend eating, a lot more. If you want to know how much food, what food, and when to eat it, get with 3J, you'll be 185-190 in no time.

 

[Hypnotix]

"There's a line dividing safe use and abuse" that is a good statement. Abuse is something I'm pretty certain I would never do, but I still do pay attention to the psychological posts on here, understanding how the superman feel can effect you. What kind of symptoms are you talking about with low T? I don't think I have ever been checked

Well, being informed of the age barrier and deciding to use anyway is kind of considered negligible abuse. But, that's just how I see it.

Of course, you could still do everything perfect and be fine, or... Do everything perfect and poof! no more balls, forever. Hard to say at any age. Have you considered that? Doing everything right doesn't mean you won't get the shaft first time around..

 

[paver18]

Does 3J charge? I've been dieting for 3 weeks now to see what progress I have made, but I feel like I should be bulking. I can put a photo or 2 up later if necessary

 

[Hypnotix]

Does 3J charge? I've been dieting for 3 weeks now to see what progress I have made, but I feel like I should be bulking. I can put a photo or 2 up later if necessary

Yes. He does have a free diet advice section here. If you'd like everything laid out specifically for you, I suggest buying a plan. Definitely post a picture though, or multiple.

 

[jkr2020788]

I guess I'm gonna be one of the old fashioned types ppl on here and give you my advice. At 5'11 168lbs, at 20, your own test levels can reach high enough to get to at LEAST 180 lean. You ask why ppl suggest 25? It's because statically that's when test levels are their highest/ on their downfall for the average male. Why don't you go get testosterone results and see where you are while hitting the gym hard. They might be high enough where you don't even need it right now.


You are gonna do what you want, no doubt about it. I mean, who doesn't wanna look good? I just think its possible to get your goals of having a nice body at 20. Just my advice man, whatever you do, be safe.

 

[Megatron28]

Paver: give this thread a read. It contains info on not cycling at a young age. Includes a link to some medical studies.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

As for the physical growth question, it is caused by estrogen being increased during cycles. Testosterone aromatizes into estrogen. Estrogen causes the growth plates to fuse. This is why women are shorter than men on average -- they have more estrogen.

As for causing damage to your HPTA and ending IP on TRT nobody can tell you the exact odds. Some guys recover after really bad cycles a d they don't skip a beat. Others do everything right and get shut down after their first cycle and have to go on TRT. But what we know from the averages and studies is that running a cycle at a young age when your HPTA is developing is that it will lower your Natural Testosterone Levels and you are more susceptible to permanently harming your HPTA. An analogy is that some people can smoke two packs a day their whole life and never get cancer, but most people will get it.

And as mentioned previously, with a good diet and plenty of sleep, you should be able to generate a lot of gains at your age with your Natty Testosterone levels. You have a lot of room for growth. You are nowhere near your genetic peak.

 

[bigben66]

At that weight for your height, you can achieve fantastic things through diet and hard work alone...

I prescribe 12 months of a calorie laden diet, along with balls to the wall training in a structured fashion.

Unwittingly, this will also give you a further 12 months to read, read and read some more on everything you will need to know about cycling. And you'll then be a year wiser and more aware of the bigger picture.

I will say this... you've come to the right place, we have your back, you seem an educated lad who is willing to ask sensible questions and listen to advice. Hang around, you'll get the answers to your questions, and much much more.

Good luck
BigBen