Why wont the doctors help me?

[NuderedDog]

Hello all.

A little short about me - I am 21 year old male, workout regularly, eat healthy and have never had any medical conditions or problems so far. Never used any roids or similar things.

I have long suspected low T levels due to my current life situation. I am very easily irritated and i have absolutely no motivation or initiative to do anything, life is just 'bleh' to me.
Not long ago i decided to check up on my varicocele which i have had for 6 years (I am 21 years old right now) because i read that it is possible that it can reduce testicle size and thus reducing testosterone levels with it. The doctor said that the varicocele was larger than normal and that the testicle was nearly twice as small as the right one.

I insisted on getting my blood done so i could be sure if my suspicions were right, if my testosterone indeed were low. My doctor claimed that testicle size had very little to do with testosterone and that my levels should be unaffected even if one testicle was not working, but agreed to do the test anyway.

The doctor contacted me one month later and said that my levels were completely normal except for FSH which was a little low but that i was otherwise healthy. He posted the test results to me so i could check it out for myself because i still wasn't entirely convinced that everything was OK.

S-Testosterone 11 nmol/L - (10-35)
S-SHBG 21 nmol/L (13-71)
S-FSH 0.9 IE/L (1.4-18)
S-LH 2.8 IE/L (1.5-9,3)

Is this considered normal? Im not sure how the doctors define 'normal' but being in the low end of the interval when you are 21 does not seem normal to me. The bioavilable testosterone is 6.49 which is also in the very low end.

What options do i have if the doctors deny me? Can i self testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) successfully? I dont care about muscle, i just want my glow back!

 

[sirxxxlew]

get another doctors opinion. cant hurt. your doc is probably very hesitant to put a 21yo on trt.

 

[NuderedDog]

No matter how much damage testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) can cause it still beats laying around like a castrated dog all day, im basically dead. Im waiting to see another doctor, ive gotten an appointment already but its in october and im very annoyed and impatient because they keep looking the other way.

 

[Miss Muscle]

Obviously get a second opinion but it sounds like you have depression. Maybe you need to get on some anti-depressants. If you are unmotivated this is a sign of depression.

 

[RA64]

^agree
Looks like there is more involved than just low T.

 

[NuderedDog]

Been there, done that bro. Seen a psychiatrist 2 years ago and she came to the conclusion that there was no sign of depression. Its not that im unmotivated, i'd absolutely love to do alot of things, its basically that i cant find it in me to do those things. I'd rather go to bed and sleep and push my obligations to the day after.

But then again, after i received the bloodwork a month ago and seen my test levels on paper i have indeed gotten a bit depressed, but thats definitely not the root of my problems.

Edit: The psychiatrist visit was due to other personal stuff, back then i was simply considered lazy and thought testosterone was all about muscle. There is no relation.

 

[RA64]

Find a urologist that is willing to help you.
Most GP's don't know their Ass from a hole in the ground, to them mormal is if you are within the range on whatever chart they are using shows.
In your case you are one point from being below the normal range.
HCG alone might boost your Test levels.

 

[trtgiant]

One of the ways to deal with the normal doctor is to bring up other health issues that relate to low testosterone. Focus on the fact that you can't get your dick hard, focus on the schlumpy feeling you have around other people. How much do you shave verses how much your brother or father shave.

Having test levels as low as yours will cause all of these problems, including a low grade depression.

Another way to get your current doctor to treat you is to retest. before you do your test, go binge drinking for a weekend, and try to sleep as little as possible. This will crash your test level to below the magical number.

Having the vericocel treated through another surgury sounds better than being placed on testosterone.

 

[sirxxxlew]

Have you been tested for EBV(epstein barr) in reguards to the lack of motivation to do anything?

 

[NuderedDog]

Lol havent checked that, but then again theres a whole list of latent viruses that can cause that, kind of far fetched.

Nah ill just do what trtgiant said, ill ask for another checkup and then suppress the test levels to its bare existence. If that doesnt work, ill just self testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for a cycle with post cycle therapy (pct) afterwards or just simply include hgc in the cycle just to see if i get any better from it. Thats the only way to be sure.

 

[NuderedDog]

I just spoke to another doctor, stupid as i am i started the conversation by explaining that i asked for the blood test because i was worried about the varicocele suppressing my testosterone levels. Then i proceeded by telling him that the low test levels made sense as i put pieces together. Told him that i for long had some erectile problems and that my lust is very weak and then told him about the physiological issues i.e. no energy, initiative, concentration problems and tiredness.

He stared at me for a moment and told me i was making stuff up because i wanted to score some testosterone and that the physiological stuff was due to depression, LMAO. When i told him i wasnt making anything up he accused me of taking roids. Ive been working out for 4 years and all i have to show for it is a potbelly and 22% bodyfat, being 6foot1 and weight 200 pounds, not your typical roid user.

Next time i see one im going to lie, lie hard as fuck and lie strategically. Im gonna go and get myself a bikini wax and tell em that ive never had any body hair whatsoever.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Obviously get a second opinion but it sounds like you have depression. Maybe you need to get on some anti-depressants. If you are unmotivated this is a sign of depression.

I agree

 

[1badmofo]

Next time i see one im going to lie, lie hard as fuck and lie strategically. Im gonna go and get myself a bikini wax and tell em that ive never had any body hair whatsoever.

lol. Yeah it sucks and gets expensive trying to doctor shop.

If a doctor told me I was making shit up, I'd tell him to fuck off and don't bother sending me a "made up" bill for rending no service. I agree many GP's are not educated or equipped to deal with these type issues. I would make some phone calls to clinics that specialize in TRT/HRT, there are plenty in Florida that will do everything by mail etc.

It's even harder because you are so young though, many won't consider it for someone under 30.

 

[sirxxxlew]

It's even harder because you are so young though, many won't consider it for someone under 30.

i think thats a main issue. even doctors that specialize in hrt/trt are gunna say in there heads "look at this 21 year old trying to get his hands on steroids trying to fool me"

 

[NuderedDog]

People seem to be caught up on the fact that i might be depressed so ill get myself an appointment with the shrink.
IF the shrink now decides that theres no kind of depression of any sort, do the endos really give a crap about this? or will i be wasting my time.
I get the feeling that they have already made up their minds no matter what i tell them.

Edit: I find it funny how the guy who has a thread at the end of this forum section is also 21, also has a large varicocele without pain just like me and has much better testo results than me. He gets testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) without any hassle. I have 175ng/dl less testo and i have to go through all this shit. lmao

 

[Miss Muscle]

I have to say.....the doctor that called you out sounds pretty intelligent. You went to him basically reciting a text book. He called you out on it. And in your opinion you may not look like a bodybuilder because you are not lean, but a doctor can tell how much muscle you have even if you aren't lean. They know the human body.

You seem to have already have made up your mind that your test levels are your problem. If that's the case why not just start taking test? It's very easy to acquire it.

 

[Miss Muscle]

Also....a person can't see a psychiatrist unless they have been referred. You must have been referred so someone else thought you were depressed.

 

[NuderedDog]

I can get a referral, considering that every other doctor tells me that my testo levels sunk due to a depression it shouldnt really be a problem.
And i dont like to self medicate when i dont have any way of knowing the outcome. If i had my own machine that could measure hormonal levels i'd start in a heartbeat. I only want the doctors for the monitoring and hell the easily accessible testo doesnt hurt either considering that theres lots of counterfeit crap out there.

I dont really get the commotion about this whole thing. The testo levels may be in the normal range, but 310 ng/dl sure as hell isnt optimal for a 21year old, atleast not according to the dozen of studies and medical research ive read so far. So even if i now was lying about my symptoms, which im not, why would it matter?

Which of the following statements make more sense to you?
Why try to fix something that isnt broken?
or
Why NOT try to achieve optimal health and well being?

I have not yet ran into a single person or read about someone claiming that a normalization of his hormonal levels made him feel worse. I really dont care about the reference interval. All i know is that normal, by definition, means average and that my testosterone levels are far from average. So even if my symptoms are weak and dull and possibly not even related to the topic, there is no reason for why i shouldnt pursue this.

 

[1badmofo]

Also....a person can't see a psychiatrist unless they have been referred. You must have been referred so someone else thought you were depressed.

That's not true here in the U.S. Here it depends on your insurance company policy. Mine doesn't require a referral for ANYTHING. I sometimes just pay cash anyway and no referral needed there either. Funny thing is I go to the docs, I ask what it the price with insurance? Then I ask what is the cash price? I usually save 1/4 to 1/3 paying cash... I don't know how it works in Canada etc.

 

[1badmofo]

bro you just got to find a doc that realizes HE works for YOU. There are docs out here prescribing morphine and oxycontins and all kinds of harmfull addictive shit, test is just taboo for some. I went to the Dr and said hey doc I just moved here, I've been off my meds for a while now, my old doc had me on xyz, bam script in hand for xanax, valium whatever. Find a young male dr. Also, I don't know how your test results compare because there are two systems for testing, mine is done on the other system so I can't relate to those numbers.