Winny and Anavar Combo ...

[zeus104]

Hey Guys,

I'm a 32 yr old male who has been bodybuilding with minimal time off for the past 7 yrs or so. Altho, I've been through a rough divorce a few yrs ago and then on to the post divorce party phase / man whore phase, which lasted about 2 yrs. I've since made some positive changes and cutout all alcohol and drug use whatsoever. I've been eating n' sleeping good and hitting the gym 6 days per week for the past 9 months solid. I feel great, but at 32 i'm just not getting the results i'd like to be seeing for all this hard work. So i'm planning on trying Wintstol tabs +Anavar as a first trial run cycle.
I know this is my first post to this site, but i'd appreciate it if you just assume that i've done all my research on diet and training habits... no problems there at all. I'm 5' 7" 205lbs and around 13% BF. I just finished months of an all natural mass gaining period and have had good results but a bit of extra padding that i don't want. At 32, its getting harder to lose the fat around the abs, and i have small love handles for the first time. When i do cut up a bit.. ppl ask me if im on 'roids' all the time, mostly because i just have genetically massive bi's and tri's. I've never tried steroids...which makes me a newbie in that regard, lol.
That said... i guess im looking to to cut up a bit more than i have been the past few yrs, so that i can see some definition and hopefully those abs that i know are there but don't see too often.
My choice was Anavar, because im hoping to find out first hand whether or not there is truth to its 'midsection shredding propeerties'. If i gain a few lbs of muscle, thats ok too... but i'm honestly big enough for now. I just feel like i deserve to get a head start with my cutting phase.
I added the Winstrol (winny) because ...mostly... its cheaper, lol.

I have enough for 30 mgs ED Anavar..
50 mgs ED Winny..
Plan on going for 6 weeks for my first cycle.

My research didn't help me reach a conclusion on using a post cycle therapy (pct) with this stack. I heard pros n cons either way. I figure i'll use Nolvadex the day after, as it can't really hurt i don't think.

I'd appreciate any and all thoughts on my plan. I'm not against using injectables in the future, or adding test to this stack in the future. For now just hoping for visual Abs, and overall definition... possibly some decent separation of the muscles that i already have.

Thanks,

J

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Winny and Anavar is prolly good combo-but where is the testosterone? if you dont have that flowing through your veins your going backwards.

 

[zeus104]

Do i really need a test base if i'm just looking to cut up? To answer your question.. I would say the testosterone is there naturally, just in a smaller amount. Thats why it took me soo long to get this big

 

[zeus104]

Haha... Sorry if that came off a bit cocky. To be honest, i AM a noob with this stuff but it just seemed to me for my first cycle, less would be more. I'm looking to do a minimum amount of stuff.... for now. Do you think Test would benefit my stack for the results i want? If so... why?

What do u think about using Nolva for a post cycle therapy (pct) on a Winny/Var stack. Or using a post cycle therapy (pct) at all?

Thanks for your reply

 

[endurance724]

always good to run a test base. anavar n Winstrol (winny) will shut ur HPTA regardless, so run the test base and do a proper post cycle therapy (pct) after that.

 

[drewbolic]

winny and Anavar (var) compliment each other nicely.
but as already stated you should have some test with that for many reasons.

 

[Teutonic]

oak and drew nailed..as usaul.or we ll call u Sir Winstrol (winny) Dick Churchil..don t fuk this up..

 

[Pumpingyork]

test is a standard base. being your first cycle only one compound should really be used just to see how you react, but since it is only winnie and Anavar (var) which are pritty reliable orals. you should be fine. put some test e in there for sure anything from 400 - 600mg a week. you will be smiling at the end of it.

make sure u use some milk thistle or get ur hands on some liv52 (liver support).

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Do i really need a test base if i'm just looking to cut up? To answer your question.. I would say the testosterone is there naturally, just in a smaller amount. Thats why it took me soo long to get this big

keep in mind when taking AAS it suppresses your natural testosterone. So you will have 0 if you dont shoot some. just run a light test only cycle. thats all you need to cut up on your first one. limit carbs, protein high.

 

[zeus104]

'keep in mind when taking AAS it suppresses your natural testosterone. So you will have 0 if you dont shoot some. just run a light test only cycle. thats all you need to cut up on your first one. limit carbs, protein high. '


Haha... Well, that answers THAT question. I just assumed that i'd take Test only to bulk up. I'm pretty big now and i compete as an MMA welter weight usually so i'd like to lose a bit of 'bad' weight b4 the spring arrives.... without losing too much muscle. I don't want to lose my testosterone levels at ANY point tho. i thought that synthetic test might actually shut my natural levels down for a bit afterwards. But i guess with the post cycle therapy (pct) this wont happen?

 

[zeus104]

Ok .. after a bit of consideration on what i learned. I'm now thinking of running the same cycle. But adding some HCG instead of Test. I'm hoping that this will give me the benefit of the the effects i was hoping for, without HPTA shutdown. 4 week Nolvadex afterwards.
I know alot of you are saying to 'always' use test as a first cycle, but i'm just not looking to add more weight. I'm a noob with steroids, but an old pro in the gym. I'll save my test cycle for my next 'bulking up' phase and do it right.

Thanks for all the input

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I did my first cycle of test only @ 750mg. I ate 3-3500 cals a day and gained 2 pounds. I was stronger than i had ever been, slimmer than i had ever been and pissed out 8 pounds of water 2 weeks into post cycle therapy (pct). diet determines how much and what type of gains you will have, not AAS.

Your not the first one with the idea to run HCG to keep your t levels in range while on cycle.. Not a bad idea, but it wont work, sorry.

Winny will have your cholesterol fucked up quicker than you know. There is a million reasons people say test only for a first cycle, remember we have all been there and done that before.....................dont say we didnt warn you.

 

[zeus104]

Hmm ... Won't work you say? I've read a few articles saying otherwise, and that it gives Winstrol (winny) a compounding effect. But i'm sure you guys have seen this situation before. Assuming that you have no reason to lie to me, hahah... i guess after playing the devils advocate a bit, i'm now sold on getting some Test. Its not really expensive, but i may have to wait to start taking it perhaps a week into my cycle. Is this ok? or should i put my cycle off for another week? will it matter? I have the HCG on order now as well... is there a place for it while on test? Or should i put it away for some other time>

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

HCG should be used prior to PCT.......what are you plans for that? how are you going to lay out your cycle? you do realize that Winstrol (winny) makes your joints very brittle, I thought you said you were a fighter? this will not be good for you in the ring at all and will leave you very prone to injury. test anavar would be much better suited for you.

 

[surfdog]

I hurt my shoulder on my last cycle of test and whinny. I could hardly move my shoulders they were to tight. Def not for mma IMO. Took me the last 3 months to recover from that and it still bothers me some. I believe the whinny made it worse, but I had great strength gains on it.

 

[RJ]

I know this is my first post to this site, but i'd appreciate it if you just assume that i've done all my research on diet and training habits... no problems there at all.

Sorry bro, but if this was the case you would know the most important thing there is to know about cutting.

1. Diet is what dictates BF% loss... not drugs. There are no steroids that burn fat. Plain and simple. Cardio and diet is what makes you cut. Thats it.

That being said, Winstrol (winny) and Anavar (var) alone sucks ass. You can cut just as well on Test. I would do a test Anavar (var) cycle and leave that damn Winstrol (winny) alone. Like was said, its known for drying out the joints and thats bad for fighting.

I appreciate your desire to get going, but you got some work to do before you become effective.

Not sure why all the MMA guys love Winstrol (winny). Tren is so much better.

 

[zeus104]

---'Sorry bro, but if this was the case you would know the most important thing there is to know about cutting'---

I don't see anything above that would lead you to assume that i don't know about cutting. I've been bodybuilding for 7 yrs without drugs, so wouldn't that suggest that i've tried every supplement out there... good and bad. As well as tried every method out there for cutting, drug free. Trust me ... I have. When i train during the spring and summer, i have 3 hour intense training sessions that include conditioning for an hour and grappling. right now im just finishing up a few months of trying to get big and will be starting my cutting period, which 100 percent of the time up till now, has been pure cardio, weights and a home made ECA stack. I hear ya on the Winstrol (winny) being hard on joints, but after a bit of research i figured this was more from long term use. I don't think my joints will undergo any more stress from kickboxing, then they would from someone lifting weights 300- 400 lbs 5 times a week. Just to be sure, im including Glucoseamine and MSA tabs in my regular mix of multivitamins, fish oils and liver detox pills. I'll be starting with 50mg of Winstrol (winny) ED, and only going for 6 weeks. If i do have joint probs. i'll just stop Winstrol (winny) use. I have enough Anavar (var) to last for 6 weeks at 30 mg. Test E... i have enough for 250 mg, twice per week, for 10 days. I'm unsure whether to just stick to the 6 week plan still, or should i run everything else for the 6 weeks, then the test from weeks 1-10? I'll use HCG (500 Iu per week) right up until the last 2 weeks of a 4 week PCT of Nolvadex.
This should be a decent first cycle for a guy that already has a bit of size... In addition to my regular 5 day weight routine, i'll be doing alot of running and sparring with a friend every day so that should help with the cutting. I won't have a fight for months tho, so i've got a bit of room to worry about weigh ins..... im lookin' forward to see what happens to me lol... i usually build muscle fairly easy, so hopefully i don't get too big.

 

[zeus104]

hahah.... oops. That was '10 weeks' worth of Test. Not 10 days

 

[RJ]

---'Sorry bro, but if this was the case you would know the most important thing there is to know about cutting'---

I don't see anything above that would lead you to assume that i don't know about cutting. I've been bodybuilding for 7 yrs without drugs, so wouldn't that suggest that i've tried every supplement out there... good and bad. As well as tried every method out there for cutting, drug free. Trust me ... I have. When i train during the spring and summer, i have 3 hour intense training sessions that include conditioning for an hour and grappling. right now im just finishing up a few months of trying to get big and will be starting my cutting period, which 100 percent of the time up till now, has been pure cardio, weights and a home made ECA stack. I hear ya on the Winstrol (winny) being hard on joints, but after a bit of research i figured this was more from long term use. I don't think my joints will undergo any more stress from kickboxing, then they would from someone lifting weights 300- 400 lbs 5 times a week. Just to be sure, im including Glucoseamine and MSA tabs in my regular mix of multivitamins, fish oils and liver detox pills. I'll be starting with 50mg of Winstrol (winny) ED, and only going for 6 weeks. If i do have joint probs. i'll just stop Winstrol (winny) use. I have enough Anavar (var) to last for 6 weeks at 30 mg. Test E... i have enough for 250 mg, twice per week, for 10 days. I'm unsure whether to just stick to the 6 week plan still, or should i run everything else for the 6 weeks, then the test from weeks 1-10? I'll use HCG (500 Iu per week) right up until the last 2 weeks of a 4 week post cycle therapy (pct) of Nolvadex.
This should be a decent first cycle for a guy that already has a bit of size... In addition to my regular 5 day weight routine, i'll be doing alot of running and sparring with a friend every day so that should help with the cutting. I won't have a fight for months tho, so i've got a bit of room to worry about weigh ins..... im lookin' forward to see what happens to me lol... i usually build muscle fairly easy, so hopefully i don't get too big.

you missed the entire point of my post brother. I didn't say you knew nothing about cutting. I said if you as knowledgeable as you thought, you would know that drugs don't make you cut... cardio and diet does. You posted that Anavar (var) is supposed to be good for 'midsection shredding properties', whatever the fuck that is. Which it is not. There is no such thing as spot reduction. Again, drugs don't cut you up, diet and cardio does.

Either way, you have your mind set, so giving you helpful advice is worthless here from any of us. You should use a test base, but you're not gonna. So keep an eye on the joints and good luck in the future.

P.S.

Joint dryness doesn't require long term Winstrol (winny) use. It can happen within weeks.

And for what its worth, 30mg/d of Anavar (var) is a waste of money. I know girls that take that dose. You need more. No sense half assing a cycle, even though this really isn't a cycle.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Either way, you have your mind set, so giving you helpful advice is worthless here from any of us.

My thoughts exactly..........RJ he has done his research and knows it all.........let him be