VirginMuscle
Enrolled at Ology College
Great post User. Should be part of a sticky.
your longest test cycle?
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swoleup
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x 2. sticky it... There is a lot of misinformation out there on this topic...
China wall your post made me laugh for some reason but you have to appreciate honesty.
Thanks guys but no need to sticky, this is just my experience and what I have seen. Many of you guys have been using as long or longer than I have so take from your personal experience, good and bad, and continue to improve from there.
I think many of us who were using 8-10 years ago did some things that we would never think of today. Today you don't have any excuse not to run a proper post cycle therapy (pct) and have AI's or dope agonist. They are way to easy to come buy. I only post about not using post cycle therapy (pct) because it was stupid on my part and it was difficult to get post cycle therapy (pct) drugs. Gear was easy to find so mix youth with that combination and it's not to hard to guess what happened from there.
Out of that group I was training with and all were using, a couple are on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), one was busted for operating a lab. and the rest went on to do things normally and with better plans.
The one thing I don't want, is anyone to read this and think I condone not running a post cycle therapy (pct), or staying on long long cycles. Yes many have done it but I talk to guys everyday who swear they get blood work and monitor bp etc but they are lying. I don't see the point in lying about it.
When it comes to blood work most everyone wants to check their test and estro on cycle. Again if you are buying the test you should know it's good ahead of time, I do get it checked but for me everything else is more important, unless it comes back low.
Take EQ. This is one compound I will never use again the rest of my life. EQ increase rbc rapidly, it also increases my hematocrit and hemoglobin rapidly. What you end up with is thick blood and your heart is working overtime trying to push all that around. This increases your likelyhood of heart attack, stroke, and blood clots. I will start to feel like shit. I donate blood on a regular basis and even then it's not enough for me to remain on EQ. I think guys would be surprised to learn this happens to a good number of us and if you are in the percentage that has any clotting disorders but don't know it then you will find out the hard way. At the same time the larger percentage of people can use EQ without any problem at all but you need to have blood work.
This is covered by CBC W/DIFF.
Test,deca,drol,tren can all increase rbc as well but eq seems to be the worst. For some it's good and increases endurance.
The other thing to be concerned with is lipids. ZEEK has mentioned Winstrol (winny) dropping HDL to zero. HDL will eat up LDL so you want HDL high.
VAR is pretty good at screwing up lipids as well. These are important to have checked. You don't want bad lipid ratios for long periods of time and you should adjust diet and supplements to benefit this.
BP is another that people are willing to let go so they can stay on and we all know what can happen here. Again exercise, diet and supplements to help. If you absolutely have to, get on bp meds while on cycles, and this doesn't mean every young guys who runs 8-10 weeks and is slightly elevated but this is something you want to check regularly.
Kidneys and liver are nothing to mess with. Orals typically are the worst for these two but I also think orals are not as bad as they are made out to be, but that means limiting amounts and durations. They will elevate liver values. But that doesn't mean damage, it could, but most people find that liver values go back to normal a short time after stopping use. Again it could be much more harmful for some. If you stay on the for longer periods they will effect more than liver and kidneys so be smart about it. Taking synthergine may really help protect the liver. And I would add liv52, milk thistle, nac. Hopefully they will help.
I'm sure ZEEK and chinawall and a bunch of you guys have a lot to add and a lot of experience so check with guys like this if you are not sure about something. Know what you are using and get bloods to see what it's doing to you.
Thanks guys but no need to sticky, this is just my experience and what I have seen. Many of you guys have been using as long or longer than I have so take from your personal experience, good and bad, and continue to improve from there.
I think many of us who were using 8-10 years ago did some things that we would never think of today. Today you don't have any excuse not to run a proper post cycle therapy (pct) and have AI's or dope agonist. They are way to easy to come buy. I only post about not using post cycle therapy (pct) because it was stupid on my part and it was difficult to get post cycle therapy (pct) drugs. Gear was easy to find so mix youth with that combination and it's not to hard to guess what happened from there.
Out of that group I was training with and all were using, a couple are on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), one was busted for operating a lab. and the rest went on to do things normally and with better plans.
The one thing I don't want, is anyone to read this and think I condone not running a post cycle therapy (pct), or staying on long long cycles. Yes many have done it but I talk to guys everyday who swear they get blood work and monitor bp etc but they are lying. I don't see the point in lying about it.
When it comes to blood work most everyone wants to check their test and estro on cycle. Again if you are buying the test you should know it's good ahead of time, I do get it checked but for me everything else is more important, unless it comes back low.
Take EQ. This is one compound I will never use again the rest of my life. EQ increase rbc rapidly, it also increases my hematocrit and hemoglobin rapidly. What you end up with is thick blood and your heart is working overtime trying to push all that around. This increases your likelyhood of heart attack, stroke, and blood clots. I will start to feel like shit. I donate blood on a regular basis and even then it's not enough for me to remain on EQ. I think guys would be surprised to learn this happens to a good number of us and if you are in the percentage that has any clotting disorders but don't know it then you will find out the hard way. At the same time the larger percentage of people can use EQ without any problem at all but you need to have blood work.
This is covered by CBC W/DIFF.
Test,deca,drol,tren can all increase rbc as well but eq seems to be the worst. For some it's good and increases endurance.
The other thing to be concerned with is lipids. ZEEK has mentioned Winstrol (winny) dropping HDL to zero. HDL will eat up LDL so you want HDL high.
VAR is pretty good at screwing up lipids as well. These are important to have checked. You don't want bad lipid ratios for long periods of time and you should adjust diet and supplements to benefit this.
BP is another that people are willing to let go so they can stay on and we all know what can happen here. Again exercise, diet and supplements to help. If you absolutely have to, get on bp meds while on cycles, and this doesn't mean every young guys who runs 8-10 weeks and is slightly elevated but this is something you want to check regularly.
Kidneys and liver are nothing to mess with. Orals typically are the worst for these two but I also think orals are not as bad as they are made out to be, but that means limiting amounts and durations. They will elevate liver values. But that doesn't mean damage, it could, but most people find that liver values go back to normal a short time after stopping use. Again it could be much more harmful for some. If you stay on the for longer periods they will effect more than liver and kidneys so be smart about it. Taking synthergine may really help protect the liver. And I would add liv52, milk thistle, nac. Hopefully they will help.
I'm sure ZEEK and chinawall and a bunch of you guys have a lot to add and a lot of experience so check with guys like this if you are not sure about something. Know what you are using and get bloods to see what it's doing to you.
VirginMuscle
Enrolled at Ology College
That's why I think it's important to have a personal experience sticky from the older guys. I come here to learn from other people's mistakes and hopefully be able to pass some information on as well.
Lol only 34 but that can be considered older.
I'm glad it's useful for you guys and I appreciate the compliments but there are a lot of experienced and knowledgeable guys here so don't hesitate to ask questions. I know there's times when I ask just to confirm what I'm thinking.
Lifter85 you could extend depending on goals etc but most times we stall simply because we need to add more cals.
I'm glad it's useful for you guys and I appreciate the compliments but there are a lot of experienced and knowledgeable guys here so don't hesitate to ask questions. I know there's times when I ask just to confirm what I'm thinking.
Lifter85 you could extend depending on goals etc but most times we stall simply because we need to add more cals.
liftingbig123
New member
Yup User is right about Winstrol (winny) messing up lipids. When i was on it in my test tren cycle it dropped my hdl to zero
liftingbig123
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and as far as longest cycles, lets just say this past year ive been on for about 3/4s of it. Alot of my gear was underdosed for some cycles, alot of fake gear i used to and gained nothing on, so i dont really know how long ive been on... But now its 5 weeks since my last injection and im over 2 weeks into PCT, ive kept all my gains but just dont have the vascular look. A little depressed and anxiety is up a lil bit and boners are hard to come by but i accept it and just know its all apart of the process..
Bingo.
I am exactly your age and the internet wasn't really around back then.
I think the the first half-assed cycle I did was like 6 weeks of test cyp X 1 shot a week when I was 18. No PCT.
It was the blind leading the blind.
Then when i was about 23 I did a proper cycle of about 10 weeks (can't remember the test) but NO post cycle therapy (pct). The majority of guys who even seemed to know about steroids back then STILL didn't know about pct.
In any case, things are light years ahead now with the internet.
Alan
XtotalimmortalX
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User, good read as always brother!
TehRage
New member
UserAt204 - You donate blood while on cycle? Do they run blood through dialysis or something? I assumed i just shouldn't due to whacked out hormones/cholesterol. Is there any legitimate benefit to this and is it safe to do? To clarify...is there a benefit for me/you to lose some blood...and is it safe for the recipient to receive the blood. I know your RBC count will increase, but i would think the ratios by volume would all remain the same.
Sorry to sidetrack...but that just stuck in my head after reading this thread.
Sorry to sidetrack...but that just stuck in my head after reading this thread.
TehRage good question. For me, I get CBC W/DIFF checked along with hormones. When on cycle my hematocrit/hemoglobin/rbc are all high, which is how many AAS work, but mine gets too high.
So the benefit is taking blood out thins it back out. When those numbers are out of range high your blood is getting thick and heart is working harder to pump. It's completely safe and safe for the recipient. They actually stalk me for blood now. If I don't show up they will call repeatedly. They like it because iron levels are up and most people needing that blood are anemic so it works very well for them.
It makes me feel normal or energized, bp reduces. Sometimes I don't ever realize how lethargic I was until after donating.
Now if you are using finasteride or dutasteride its not safe to donate. It's safe for you but if that blood is given to a pregnant women it will cause issues. I can't remember but I think possibly disfigurement. That's just wrong to put someone in that situation. The amount of blood they take (1pint) will not contain enough hormone to be of concern and those hormones have a half live once released into blood stream so most is used up by the body or bound to albium or SHBG or aromatse.
So the benefit is taking blood out thins it back out. When those numbers are out of range high your blood is getting thick and heart is working harder to pump. It's completely safe and safe for the recipient. They actually stalk me for blood now. If I don't show up they will call repeatedly. They like it because iron levels are up and most people needing that blood are anemic so it works very well for them.
It makes me feel normal or energized, bp reduces. Sometimes I don't ever realize how lethargic I was until after donating.
Now if you are using finasteride or dutasteride its not safe to donate. It's safe for you but if that blood is given to a pregnant women it will cause issues. I can't remember but I think possibly disfigurement. That's just wrong to put someone in that situation. The amount of blood they take (1pint) will not contain enough hormone to be of concern and those hormones have a half live once released into blood stream so most is used up by the body or bound to albium or SHBG or aromatse.
binary
I am banned!
I dont understand what the problem is. Are you saying that because you ran over a gram of test per week for over a year, that it caused your natural test production to never recover? If so then that's strange.
swoleup
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No problems, all I was saying is that I have ran gear at over a gram to 2 grams for over a year, without post cycle therapy (pct). This was in my early 20's.. I've also ran gear the same way in my early 30's.. Didn't know about proper PCT back then. I was referring to the op's question of longest cycle ran. I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) now at 38 yrs old. I by no means recommend this to anyone, it was just part of me learning the hard way....
vBRAH
umad?
This may be of interest to you mate, pretty amazing: Single dose of triptorelin gets bodybuilder’s hormones going again
frankybruzer
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Great info user-appreciate it
We have a triptorelin thread here already but it's not looking so promising. Now I have heard of a pharmaceutical grade of this that appears to be pretty potent but I know a few hypogonadal men(had low t prior to first cycle) and after trip/nolva, t levels raised about 100 points but not enough to really solve their problem.
swoleup
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I'll def. read up on this. Thx.
Read up on it but honestly I'm not impressed by what I've seen. 100 points to total test is impressive and an improvement but I have not seen it actually take someone from hypogonadism to normal functioning levels.
But then again we are relying on research chems and have no idea what's actually in the vialsince there is no regulation.
But then again we are relying on research chems and have no idea what's actually in the vialsince there is no regulation.
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