1 Year a Slave, Jomamma007's HRT Exit

[jomamma007]

I finally have everything I need to go through with my Exit Plan.
I'm going to log it for anyone that cares, especially the younger guys who are on or contemplating a life of HRT.

I borrowed it from Cashout and tweaked it a bit.
2 week longer duration of the SERMS and switched arimidex in place of letro.[/FONT]

Stats
22 Years old
5'11
190lbs
13-15% Body Fat
1 year on TRT

Believe the reason for my Low Test was improper pct following a few cycles @ 21 years old. No thyroid issues, or sleep apnea. I feel there is no need for me to be on HRT for the rest of my life at such a young age.
-Goal, To achieve and maintain a reasonable testosterone level 5-600 would be ideal.


Week HCG Clomid Nolva arimidex

1 M/W/F/Su 2000 .5 EoD
2 T/Th/Sa 2000 .5 EoD
3 M/W/F 2000 .5 EoD

Blood Work 3/28
3 Sat/Sun 100 40 .5 M/Th
4 Every Day 50 30 .5 M/Th
5 25 20 .5 M/Th
6 25 20 .5 M/Th
7 25 20 .5 M/Th
8 25 20 .5 M/Th

Blood Work 5/5/14
9 20 [/COLOR].5 M/Th
10 20[/COLOR] .5 M/Th
11 .25m M/Th
12 .25 M/Th
13 .125 M/Th
14 .125 M

Blood Work 6/16/14

Some Might say the HCG blast is a bit extreme or that I only need one SERM, or 8 weeks is too long to run SERMS, but I'd rather do everything I can to ensure a successful recovery.
I will be getting blood work thoroughly throughout this process as well to ensure everything's going to plan and if I should proceed step by step.

Daily Supplements
50mg Dhea and Pregnenolone
10k Vitamin D3
30mg Zinc
Multi-vitamin

Last Testosterone Cypionate shot was 3/1/14, 80mgs.
I plan to get serious about dieting and working out as well. Losing body fat and pushing some decent weight in the gym, coupled with healthy eating and life style can only help.
If Everything goes according to plan I should finish just in time for Summer.

Have a little extra HCG so will take my first 2000iu shot 3/8/14, and the begin the exit strategy.

 

[Alpin]

why the exit again ? remind me....

 

[Alpin]

arimidex will not be able to control that insane amount of intertesticular E2 you will jack thru the roof....
You are not Cashout....
C'mon bro...
be a little reasonable with the dosages.
You want to make yourself primary for ever with this ?
I'd hook up with IMT and have them walk you through it....
I was shut down for 2.5 yrs with Exogenous T and NO HCG while on.
I used 500 iu. EOD for 6 weeks and hit 500 ng/dl TT....
Your body does not make endless amounts of T from high HCG doses.

 

[Alpin]

The SERM part your protocol is sub standard...imo
Why not 50 mg EOD for 2 months and do blood work ?
or just go all out and do 50 mg ED for 30 days...???

 

[jomamma007]

I don't feel like 500iu is sufficient. Ill prob settle on 1000iu as that is what bbbjames did, alongside .5mg arimidex.

As far as the serms, i dont react well to them and i feel like i'd have better results with an 8 week run at a lower dosage vs a 4 week.

Clomids results are best achieved within a month and it's synergistic when run alongside nolva.

I could keep it simple

HCG 1000iu Eod for 3 weeks alongside .5mg arimidex.
Blood work after 3 weeks, if test 500+ will continue to SERMS.

Clomid-50/50/50/50
Nolva-40/40/40/40/40/40

Blood work after cessation of clomid
Blood work again a month after cessation of nolvadex.

 

[jomamma007]

why the exit again ? remind me....

Never quite felt dialed in, and would like to avoid hrt at 22 years old if possible.

Last restart I ended with a total t of 571 2 months after last clomid dosage, but my SHBG was 75(16.5-55.9 nmol/L) leaving my with almost no free test.

I believe this was casued by not using a aromatise inhibitor during my hcg blast which was 1600iu EoD, so you are prob right in that it's too high a dose.

Believe if I keep the SHBG under control I'll be fine this time.

 

[BD7]

^^^ good educational thread.. keep us posted of labs and doses you end up taking.. if it works getting you restarted then great but either way keeping a accurate log will help you in the future if need be. Good luck..

 

[Alpin]

Never quite felt dialed in, and would like to avoid hrt at 22 years old if possible.

Last restart I ended with a total t of 571 2 months after last clomid dosage, but my SHBG was 75(16.5-55.9 nmol/L) leaving my with almost no free test.

I believe this was casued by not using a aromatise inhibitor during my hcg blast which was 1600iu EoD, so you are prob right in that it's too high a dose.

Believe if I keep the SHBG under control I'll be fine this time.

U were at 571 ng/dl TT two months after your last clomid dosage ?
and tell me why you stopped and went on TRT ?
U should have stayed there bro...atleast till it crashed.
U tellin me u hoped on TRT after sitting at 571 ng/dl...2 months after last dosage ?
I was at 23 nmol/l SHBG and used an AI and still had LOW Free T.
Sounds like u are assuming bro.
Free T means nothing compared to Bio Avail. T....
do you have a level for that ?

 

[jomamma007]

U were at 571 ng/dl TT two months after your last clomid dosage ?
and tell me why you stopped and went on TRT ?
U should have stayed there bro...atleast till it crashed.
U tellin me u hoped on TRT after sitting at 571 ng/dl...2 months after last dosage ?
I was at 23 nmol/l SHBG and used an AI and still had LOW Free T.
Sounds like u are assuming bro.
Free T means nothing compared to Bio Avail. T....
do you have a level for that ?

I had a 571 two months after my last restart, 2 months after last clomid...
Then because of nigh free T i stopped working out and got depressed and started eating like crap and it came down to 384 and my free was 3(9-26), and that's when I jumped on HRT.
Bio was below range, don't know exactly but somewhere around were free was I think 50

 

[Alpin]

I don't know...
sounds like u felt like crap before at 571 ng/dl and are getting ready to go back to it....
have u ever had a sleep study done ?
how did this T biziness ever come up for you ?
you are 22 after all

 

[Alpin]

I don't know bro....
sounds like you are grasping at straws to be honest. None of this has even been approved by a doc who specializes in restarts. I wish you the best though.

 

[Daniel_IMT_Staff]

Hello,

Good luck on your restart! However these restarts are very sensitive, it's like driving a stick shift car. You have to have good timing with the amount of gas(meds) while letting go of the clutch(stopping the meds). Too much gas or too little will stall the car and you may think it doesn't work. But most the time it was the procedure done incorrectly!

 

[jomamma007]

I don't know...
sounds like u felt like crap before at 571 ng/dl and are getting ready to go back to it....
have u ever had a sleep study done ?
how did this T biziness ever come up for you ?
you are 22 after all

Yes, I don't have any thyroid issues or sleep apnea. That's why I think I'll be able to restart.
I took a few cycles @20 and didn't fully recover.

I only think I felt crappy at 571 Total T because my SHBG was elevated from running hcg @1600iu for 10 shots without an ai last restart.

 

[Alpin]

Yes, I don't have any thyroid issues or sleep apnea. That's why I think I'll be able to restart.
I took a few cycles @20 and didn't fully recover.

I only think I felt crappy at 571 Total T because my SHBG was elevated from running hcg @1600iu for 10 shots without an ai last restart.

I was 25 yo. with natty T of 580-665 ng/dl and felt like crap...
had sleep apnea and never knew it.

 

[jomamma007]

I was 25 yo. with natty T of 580-665 ng/dl and felt like crap...
had sleep apnea and never knew it.

Just restless leg syndrome here, but I know with a 5-600 test level I can function just fine, as I had a 484 for 2 months on trt and was fine, so anything above 500+ is good for me.
How did you end up getting on HRT then, and how old are you now?

 

[Alpin]

Just restless leg syndrome here, but I know with a 5-600 test level I can function just fine, as I had a 484 for 2 months on trt and was fine, so anything above 500+ is good for me.
How did you end up getting on HRT then, and how old are you now?

Some doc put me on it....
PM me I wont go into details on here....

 

[jomamma007]

I'm just going to keep it simple.

1000iu hcg EoD alongside .5mg arimidex
blood work after 3 weeks
if test level 500+ continue to serms
if not run for another 3 weeks

clomid 50/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20

Blood work after stopping clomid
then again 8 weeks after stopping clomid.

Will begin Tomorrow, thanks for the input guys!

 

[ezed413]

I was 25 yo. with natty T of 580-665 ng/dl and felt like crap...
had sleep apnea and never knew it.

Do you use a cpap machine? Has it helped?

 

[Alpin]

Do you use a cpap machine? Has it helped?

YES, and YES!

 

[Alpin]

I'm just going to keep it simple.

1000iu hcg EoD alongside .25mg arimidex
blood work after 3 weeks
if test level 500+ continue to serms
if not run for another 3 weeks

clomid 50/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20

Blood work after stopping clomid
then again 8 weeks after stopping clomid.

Will begin Tomorrow, thanks for the input guys!

go for E3D for the HCG....
it's biphasic.
I'm personally a fan of E3D dosing.
Do you have legit clomid on hand or is it bunk stuff made from questionable sources ?
Always make sure you have pharma meds on hand when restarting.