1 Year a Slave, Jomamma007's HRT Exit
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Daniel_IMT_Staff
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Interesting with a loading phase on the Nolvadex! Doctors will sometimes do this with drugs to decrease time it takes to reach the steady state concentrations. This is only with drugs that have a long halflife and Nolvadex & Clomid (both 5 days)
Best of luck to you!
jomamma007
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Yes that is the idea
Serum levels are built up after that first week
Probably do the same for clomid, not sure I have a while before I start serms anyways.
50/25/25/25/25/25
Thanks!
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jomamma007
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Daniel_IMT_Staff
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That was a typo, meant .5mgs alongside each HCG shot -__-
legit pharma SERMS
You meant AI as you are referring to the Arimidex(anastrozole) right ?
jomamma007
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You meant AI as you are referring to the Arimidex(anastrozole) right ?
Yes
1000iu hcg EoD alongside .5mg arimidex
blood work after 3 weeks
if test level 500+ continue to serms
if not run for another 3 weeks
clomid 50/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20
Blood work after stopping clomid
then again 8 weeks after stopping clomid.
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jomamma007
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I just never felt quite as I should, and If I missed an injection I'd feel even worse. Tired of playing with ai's and all this crap.
Was a roller coaster and I couldn't just quit, so yes I felt like a slave.
Alpin
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I understand. You understand it is very unlikely you will stay at 500 + ng/dl over the long term just from a single restart...
you might need to run more if your levels tank out or just run clomid for 2-3 months at a time.
Restarts usually succeed at first and then T tanks out months later....
Wish you the best though...
jomamma007
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Yes if numbers fall I i'll probably stay on clomid for 3-6 months.
Thanks I keep this updated.
Thanks I keep this updated.
jomamma007
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3/9/14
Took my 2nd HCG injection today along side arimidex .
My last testosterone injection definitely half lifved by now, and the arimiedx is kicking in.
I can feel the low estrogen in my joints.
I've dropped a few pounds of water from having lower estrogen which is cool. Some abs popped up overnight.
My sleep is crap and I've have some insomnia though this weekend.
Workouts are still good, surprising, and mood is very logical and positive.
Erections are around 70% with cialis and libido is on and off.
Overall I'm feeling pretty dam good, if I tested my levels like I did last time a week after injection when they were 349( and that was from 100mgs injection, last injection was 8 days ago and was only 80mgs) I'd probably be in the 300's.
So all in all things are better then before I started this restart even though i know there is still exogenous testosterone flowing through me. People usually say what 3-4 weeks after your last pin is when you start to feel like crap, so we'll see.
Took my 2nd HCG injection today along side arimidex .
My last testosterone injection definitely half lifved by now, and the arimiedx is kicking in.
I can feel the low estrogen in my joints.
I've dropped a few pounds of water from having lower estrogen which is cool. Some abs popped up overnight.
My sleep is crap and I've have some insomnia though this weekend.
Workouts are still good, surprising, and mood is very logical and positive.
Erections are around 70% with cialis and libido is on and off.
Overall I'm feeling pretty dam good, if I tested my levels like I did last time a week after injection when they were 349( and that was from 100mgs injection, last injection was 8 days ago and was only 80mgs) I'd probably be in the 300's.
So all in all things are better then before I started this restart even though i know there is still exogenous testosterone flowing through me. People usually say what 3-4 weeks after your last pin is when you start to feel like crap, so we'll see.
jomamma007
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3/20/14
Well it's 20 days since my last 80mg injection.
To be honest I'm feeling dam good. Let me clarify.
Mentally I feel great, physically not so much. But this is easily explained as I've dropped my estrogen too low throughout this process. Joints are killing me, skin is dry blah blah blah.
Only sides I really care about is that my strength has gone down a ton as well as erection strength. Not that big of a deal( would happen if I was on trt too), I don't have a gf right now and I decided to take off from the gym until I start SERMS anyways.
Mentally though I'm feeling great. I've noticed that even with below healthy level estrogen I feel good. It's only when my estrogen gets high that my mood starts to flutter.
I'm very logical, which makes sense as my estrogen is lower.
I had blood work done ( moms works at hopsital and I get the basic panel for free) for shits and giggles 1 week into hcg, 2 weeks since last pin. I knew it would be too early to be of any relevance but I thought I'd post it regardless.
Normally 1 week after a 100mg pin my levels are in the 300's, tested by bloods twice. This one is 2 weeks after an 80mg injection, 1 week on hcg, this was done the day after an hcg pin.
3/14/14
Testosterone , Serum 529 348-1197 ng/dL SO
LH <0.2 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL SO
FSH <0.2 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL SO
Estradiol 14.6 7.6-42.6 pg/mL SO
clearly it's too soon as the testosterone was still in my system, but my T levels are much higher then they would be without the hcg. So that's a good sign. Anyways like I said, these bloods don't really mean much.
I'll be getting some bloods next week though after my 10th hcg shot, before I start my SERMS and will update then.
I'm trying not to get obsessed with numbers like I did last time. I would look at my lab work and placebo judge how I felt by it, rather then how I actually felt. If i feel good and my test is only 450 then that's fine, I know I never had sky high levels anyways. Highest I ever had was 484.
I do feel like if I recover, I'll end up with higher levels then I did back in 2011 before all my steroid use though, being 3 years older and a late bloomer. Only time will tell!
Well it's 20 days since my last 80mg injection.
To be honest I'm feeling dam good. Let me clarify.
Mentally I feel great, physically not so much. But this is easily explained as I've dropped my estrogen too low throughout this process. Joints are killing me, skin is dry blah blah blah.
Only sides I really care about is that my strength has gone down a ton as well as erection strength. Not that big of a deal( would happen if I was on trt too), I don't have a gf right now and I decided to take off from the gym until I start SERMS anyways.
Mentally though I'm feeling great. I've noticed that even with below healthy level estrogen I feel good. It's only when my estrogen gets high that my mood starts to flutter.
I'm very logical, which makes sense as my estrogen is lower.
I had blood work done ( moms works at hopsital and I get the basic panel for free) for shits and giggles 1 week into hcg, 2 weeks since last pin. I knew it would be too early to be of any relevance but I thought I'd post it regardless.
Normally 1 week after a 100mg pin my levels are in the 300's, tested by bloods twice. This one is 2 weeks after an 80mg injection, 1 week on hcg, this was done the day after an hcg pin.
3/14/14
Testosterone , Serum 529 348-1197 ng/dL SO
LH <0.2 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL SO
FSH <0.2 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL SO
Estradiol 14.6 7.6-42.6 pg/mL SO
clearly it's too soon as the testosterone was still in my system, but my T levels are much higher then they would be without the hcg. So that's a good sign. Anyways like I said, these bloods don't really mean much.
I'll be getting some bloods next week though after my 10th hcg shot, before I start my SERMS and will update then.
I'm trying not to get obsessed with numbers like I did last time. I would look at my lab work and placebo judge how I felt by it, rather then how I actually felt. If i feel good and my test is only 450 then that's fine, I know I never had sky high levels anyways. Highest I ever had was 484.
I do feel like if I recover, I'll end up with higher levels then I did back in 2011 before all my steroid use though, being 3 years older and a late bloomer. Only time will tell!
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jomamma007
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1000iu EoD.
Well I'm starting SERM's next week so they should hopefully kick in quickly as the last bit of test leaves my system so I don't experience any slumps.
Alpin
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1000 i.u. E3D would have been better....
stay on that a few weeks and then run labs...
Daniel_IMT_Staff
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Hello,
Apollon has some good advice about making sure the T is completely out of your system!
Apollon has some good advice about making sure the T is completely out of your system!
Alpin
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I was laughing too thinking my T levels were fine with 500 i.u. HCG EOD 3 times a week.... 2 weeks after last T shot....
I was singing a different tune 2 weeks later
Daniel_IMT_Staff
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Yeah, it takes a long time for the testosterone to be cleared. At least 4-5 weeks is the period you should wait!
Just how it takes about 4 weeks to see full effects from the testosterone it takes the same amount of time for it to clear.
The main problem is labs showing a tT value that is from hCG + some remaining T. So you may think that it is time to start the SERMs but it really isn't and then the restart fails!
Just how it takes about 4 weeks to see full effects from the testosterone it takes the same amount of time for it to clear.
The main problem is labs showing a tT value that is from hCG + some remaining T. So you may think that it is time to start the SERMs but it really isn't and then the restart fails!
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