1 Year a Slave, Jomamma007's HRT Exit

[Alpin]

10 weeks since end of PCT
Total T 460
Free T 5 (9-20)
So my shbg seems to be 60-70 I don't know why it's so elevated

So free T up a point, not sure if that's progress feel like crap, can't get an erection lol. Time to attempt a second pct , not sure if there's a point but want to rule it out before a life of HRT

You should really hit up a super knowledgeable TRT doc like Crisler in Michigan. It seems to me you are fighting to get your natural production going...which ia a great thing to do.
But you are stuck bro. Crisler might have more tools or advice on how to lower SHBG ( I.e. danzol etc)
Taking nolvadex for extended periods of time and stuff like that is not really healthy man...

 

[jomamma007]

Yeah I'm thinking
Dr. Romeo Marciano but he's 6 hours away so I will wait till my second restart is through.
Power pct with working out and and supplement and see where I end up. As long as I'm withing the range and my weiner works

 

[lancerevo]

I don't mean to hijack your thread OP but it won't let me send you a PM for some reason

I was reading one of your older threads:

steroidology.com/forum/testosterone-replacement-therapy/661659-adrenal-recovery-trt-possible.html

and was wondering what the outcome of that was? Did you ever start any adrenal supplements or did you start feeling better on TRT? I feel like I'm in the same boat as you, but haven't gone down the TRT path yet and want to make sure my adrenals are in top shape before hoping on TRT.

 

[jomamma007]

I never resolved the issue I think it was more to due with elevated estrogen or an un dialed trt protocol

 

[Alpin]

I never resolved the issue I think it was more to due with elevated estrogen or an un dialed trt protocol

What about anxiety?
You had that before TRT...
No?

 

[jomamma007]

Ive been getting a tad anxiety on my hcg with my second restart.
2000 iu hcg e3d, just did my second injection alongside 1.25mg letro.
Feeling better already.

After my 8th pin
Clomid
70/70/35/35
Nolva
40/20/20/20/20/20

THen bloods

 

[Alpin]

Too much HCG. Off course you're getting anxiety. Thats 4 k I.u. a week of HCG!

 

[Jimstigator]

Yeah I'm thinking
Dr. Romeo Marciano but he's 6 hours away so I will wait till my second restart is through.
Power pct with working out and and supplement and see where I end up. As long as I'm withing the range and my weiner works

Dr. Mariano is a damn genius, but different from Crisler. Crisler seems to be more geared towards bodybuilders and the like, while Mariano takes a slower approach, ironing out all sorts of things before going near TRT. Both are well versed in restarts and some of the best Drs in the world when it comes to mens hormones.

For what its worth, I essentially did a three year restart with Mariano before moving to TRT. My body was never able to hold on without Nolvadex, despite every other piece of the puzzle being ironed out.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

Dr. Mariano is a damn genius, but different from Crisler. Crisler seems to be more geared towards bodybuilders and the like, while Mariano takes a slower approach, ironing out all sorts of things before going near TRT. Both are well versed in restarts and some of the best Drs in the world when it comes to mens hormones.

For what its worth, I essentially did a three year restart with Mariano before moving to TRT. My body was never able to hold on without Nolvadex, despite every other piece of the puzzle being ironed out.

-Jim

How did you use Nolvadex in the restart?

 

[Jimstigator]

Well I wasn't coming off TRT, AAS, pro hormones, etc... just had shitty low test which crashed virtually overnight. Felt 100% for years, woke up with a lump under nipple, BOOM, done. I had a test come back, 100 total T, 90 sensitive E. I can't even begin to explain to people what that felt like. This was the third time it had happened like that.

Started with 40mg a day for a while, then slowly dropped to 5mg a day over the course of a year. All the while, tried to get everything else in order like thyroid, adrenals, etc etc. Tried to get off Nolva and kept crashing again. I resisted TRT and ran low dose Nolva for another year or two, 2.5 to 5mg a day. Kept my total t between 600-900 from then on, but I never felt right despite the high levels. Everything just seemed to fluctuate virtually daily. Further, it drove my E wild. Took 1.25mg adex a week to keep my sensitive E under 40. Nolva is known to reduce the effectiveness of adex.

Hes not the only Dr who now runs Nolvadex long term these days. Seems a bit more common. Only side I experienced was zero libido. Honestly - I wish I moved to TRT sooner.

For a quick fix/shortcut, I would look elsewhere. For the most thorough Dr on the planet, who takes his time, Mariano is worth his weight in gold. Every time I have a call with him I am more and more impressed. Not so much in that he has a miracle cure... TRT is TRT, but, he understands the why/how at such a deeper level than anyone else out there.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

Scary stuff

 

[Alpin]

Ever try clomid Jim?

 

[Jimstigator]

Ever try clomid Jim?

Yeah - but it's hard to remember since I never stopped crying while on it lol. Next to HCG, my body hates nothing more than Clomid.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

Yeah - but it's hard to remember since I never stopped crying while on it lol. Next to HCG, my body hates nothing more than Clomid.

-Jim

Ya I know...
I'm on the fence with HCG too...
After a while on it. It's like you're thankful being off it. Lol
I don't know how JO can handle 2 k I.u. EOD. ...lol
Shrunk my appetite while I was on therapeutic doses at 500 iu 3 times a week.
Had to go E3D with it to have some reasonable apetite.

 

[Jimstigator]

Ya I know...
I'm on the fence with HCG too...
After a while on it. It's like you're thankful being off it. Lol
I don't know how JO can handle 2 k I.u. EOD. ...lol
Shrunk my appetite while I was on therapeutic doses of it.
Had to go E3D with it to have some reasonable apetite.

I keep an eye on your stuff, and wish I could come near those doses. I feel like death on the stuff. I went as low as 50iu twice a week and completely lost my appetite. Further, it activates a gyno sensation like no other. I get blood work often, and in the midst of full fledged gyno scare, my sensitive E was <5, prolactin was .4, and progesterone also low.

I have found one other guy with the same situation. Almost like my chest/breast tissue has LH/hcg receptors in it. Then oddly enough... going against all current beliefs of how you can get gyno in bro science land, I was pointed to this...

Presence of luteinizing hormone/huma... [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
Full Study

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

50 I.u. twice a week ?

500 I.u. 3 times a week took me to 550 ng/dl in a month.
After a month I started feeling a nasty headache each morning (day after HCG shot)
So I lowered it to E3D and it went away.
Pissed me off cause it was working.
I also took a 1/4 tab adex with each dose and experimented with day after each HCG dose.
The 2 worked better together. Felt like crap on only HCG. Just looking at labs you'll see that without a low dose adex you are converting to estradiol more....
I would say you could safely take the low dose adex day after HCG shot just as well.
Don't do what some yahoos do by taking half mg tabs eod for low doses of HCG. Thats way too much estradiol suppression.

 

[Jimstigator]

50 I.u. twice a week ?

500 I.u. 3 times a week took me to 550 ng/dl in a month.
After a month I started feeling a nasty headache each morning (day after HCG shot)
So I lowered it to E3D and it went away.
Pissed me off cause it was working.
I also took a 1/4 tab adex with each dose and experimented with day after each HCG dose.
The 2 worked better together. Felt like crap on only HCG. Just looking at labs you'll see that without a low dose adex you are converting to estradiol more....
I would say you could safely take the low dose adex day after HCG shot just as well.
Don't do what some yahoos do by taking half mg tabs eod for low doses of HCG. Thats way too much estradiol suppression.

I hear you, but what I am trying to get across is my sides/gyno flare happen irregardless of estrogen/adex. I crashed my estrogen to essentially zero and my problems persisted.

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

I hear you Jim.
Do you have significant body fat stores?

 

[Jimstigator]

I hear you Jim.
Do you have significant body fat stores?

Nope. Active all my life. Fit, lean, moderately strong. 6 ft 170lbs. Now 30 years old. Never fat. Never AAS, pro hormones, etc.

Sorry Jomamma - last post in here! Unless its restart related

-Jim

 

[Alpin]

Is that pic while you were hypo?
I look way fatter in comparison to you...