11 weeks in + Urgent help please!

AlmightyZeus

AlmightyZeus

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Hey everybody.

Cycle has been great. 11 weeks in, to finish up my 12 week cycle.

500mg Test Cyp (week)
500iu HCG (week)
.25mg Adex EOD...

Around week 6 I increased my adex to .5mg EOD because my Estrogen went from 8.3 pg/mL on scale of 7.6 - 42.6 (Pre bloods) to 52.2 pg/ML (mid cycle bloods) ... I was definitely holding extra water from the increased e2 and this increase in AI really helped my water retention.

SO for the help I need!

I've developed a lump behind my left nipple.. this came up within the last week to week and a half. No lump on my right nipple. It's not sensitive or hurts to the touch.. but there is definitely something there.

I see you guys recommend Nolva @ 40mg 1st week, then 20mg till it subsides but I've also been reading Letro on these forums and many others that it can do a great job in completely getting rid of any lumps. So I definitely want to get rid of this lump and like I said I'm week 11-12 right now. My last pin will be on the 23rd.

What is the best protocol to not kill my gains and give me the best shot at getting rid of this lump using Letro (short period of time) or Nolva.. or even both, that you guys recommend? And should I do this now? or wait till after PCT to see if it goes away? or does waiting make it worse?

Thank you all hope you stayed lucky today :-)
 
Nolvadex @ 40mg/day for one month then reduce to 20mg/day for another month. I have had success with this personally.

One question though. How big is the lump? Pea sized or smaller?
 
It is 2016. Why are people still posting stuff they used over 10 years ago? Letro is so old school for dealing with gyno...
 
Megatron28 said:
You found the right thread! I would follow the advice given in that thread.
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Mrrippedzilla said:
Listen to Mega - everything you need to know about treating gyno is in that thread :)


Also DPR, I'm still waiting for you to admit you were wrong when you stated that "tamofixen is never going to be able to reverse gyno" in post 3 of this thread - especially after I provided a bunch of evidence in post 26 proving you to be factually incorrect:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/684531-gyno-reversal-trt-still-taking-ai-2.html#post3722636
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Schredder said:
Nolvadex @ 40mg/day for one month then reduce to 20mg/day for another month. I have had success with this personally.

One question though. How big is the lump? Pea sized or smaller?
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Thank you guys. sorry for the late response I've been so busy working this past week non stop.

It's definitely peasized.

I will follow this approach with just Nolva then.. But my question is since my last shot is Wed. then I wait 13 days to begin PCT because I'm doing Test Cyp... does it matter if I begin nolva now and just throw in the clomid the day PCT starts? or should I just wait?

2nd Question: Someone told me since I'm not sensitive whatsoever when I touch the area to feel for the lump (which I'm avoiding doing as much as possible) that it may be a swollen lymph node? thoughts? or definitely gyno in the early stages?
 
Letro WILL work - but you could also end up crashing your E2 while using it. For those who have used Letro as an AI, they know exactly how much Letro removes X amount of E2 level for THEIR body...so using Letro for Gyno removal is not so bad. For everyone else, using Ralox or Tamox is the way to go.
 
Nolvadex brother. That is the FIRST thing you should try. Raloxifene has had enough accounts of it NOT working to dismiss that as a first option. And even if Letrozole works it will kill all the e2 you have and that is not healthy. Now, I have heard of this option working for some guys and I have actually seen it work in person but this method should be used as an absolute last resort. And normally I would say to not even use it, but if it were to work, then that is better than having some gyno or requiring surgery to get rid of it. But, if it is only a small pea sized lump then run the Nolvdex @ 40ED for month and re evaluate. It its shrunken but still there keep running it at 40 if its gone continue running it at 20 for another month. This should work.

AlmightyZeus said:
Thank you guys. sorry for the late response I've been so busy working this past week non stop.

It's definitely peasized.

I will follow this approach with just Nolva then.. But my question is since my last shot is Wed. then I wait 13 days to begin PCT because I'm doing Test Cyp... does it matter if I begin nolva now and just throw in the clomid the day PCT starts? or should I just wait?

2nd Question: Someone told me since I'm not sensitive whatsoever when I touch the area to feel for the lump (which I'm avoiding doing as much as possible) that it may be a swollen lymph node? thoughts? or definitely gyno in the early stages?
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#1 Start the Nolvadex right now, don't wait. And, DO NOT start you PCT 2 weeks post last injection like you mentioned, that is too soon, you will hinder recovery doing this. Start it 3 weeks post last injection. So, start the Nolvadex now, and 3 weeks after you last shot start the Clomid.

#2 If it is a hard lump that feels like a pea, or somewhat similar, then its a safe bet to say to have had some gyno that has formed. Of course no one here is an MD and can actually see or feel it, but that's my educated guess. It is not a swollen lymph node because there aren't any lymph nodes directly behind your nipple.
 
dont use letro for gyno shrinking, its an outdated way of doing things. will it work? sure, but it will starve your whole body of estrogen when you could just use a SERM like tamox or ralox and block the glands from gettign estrogen and starving them at the location. much better option than takign estrogen from whole body when its needed for many functions.
use a SERM, not Letro!

im pro letro for oncycle use (low LOW doses) but for gyno off cycle or with healthy estro levels NO WAY.

SERM
 
Schredder said:
Nolvadex brother. That is the FIRST thing you should try. Raloxifene has had enough accounts of it NOT working to dismiss that as a first option. And even if Letrozole works it will kill all the e2 you have and that is not healthy. Now, I have heard of this option working for some guys and I have actually seen it work in person but this method should be used as an absolute last resort. And normally I would say to not even use it, but if it were to work, then that is better than having some gyno or requiring surgery to get rid of it. But, if it is only a small pea sized lump then run the Nolvdex @ 40ED for month and re evaluate. It its shrunken but still there keep running it at 40 if its gone continue running it at 20 for another month. This should work.



#1 Start the Nolvadex right now, don't wait. And, DO NOT start you PCT 2 weeks post last injection like you mentioned, that is too soon, you will hinder recovery doing this. Start it 3 weeks post last injection. So, start the Nolvadex now, and 3 weeks after you last shot start the Clomid.

#2 If it is a hard lump that feels like a pea, or somewhat similar, then its a safe bet to say to have had some gyno that has formed. Of course no one here is an MD and can actually see or feel it, but that's my educated guess. It is not a swollen lymph node because there aren't any lymph nodes directly behind your nipple.
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there is studies and user feed back showing ralox works well, so not sure where you have seen otherwise. also a little contradictory saying one serm would help but the other not at all when they work in very much the same ways. ( with slightly differing properties) but i assure you ralox works.
where have you seen these accounts of not workng?
(keep in mind some gyno WONT go away fully unless cut out, whether you use ralox, tamox or even letro to crash your whole systems estro (not rec)
 
juced_porkchop said:
there is studies and user feed back showing ralox works well, so not sure where you have seen otherwise. also a little contradictory saying one serm would help but the other not at all when they work in very much the same ways. ( with slightly differing properties) but i assure you ralox works.
where have you seen these accounts of not workng?
(keep in mind some gyno WONT go away fully unless cut out, whether you use ralox, tamox or even letro to crash your whole systems estro (not rec)
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I agree with this. Ralox actually binds to the e receptor in breast tissue more strongly than nolvadex does making it, IMO, the optimal choice for this purpose.
 
juced_porkchop said:
there is studies and user feed back showing ralox works well, so not sure where you have seen otherwise. also a little contradictory saying one serm would help but the other not at all when they work in very much the same ways. ( with slightly differing properties) but i assure you ralox works.
where have you seen these accounts of not workng?
(keep in mind some gyno WONT go away fully unless cut out, whether you use ralox, tamox or even letro to crash your whole systems estro (not rec)
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Everything I write in responce to the fellow members on this board is based on first hand experience and whatI have seen/gone through myself. So, what I stated in post #10 is not contradictory whatsoever. I have seen Nolvadex AND Letro work first hand, and I have read numerous posts by people here, as well as other forums where Ralox did not work. So that is what my responce is based on.

What a piece of paper says about something is not the end all be all in terms of what an individual needs to know about something. Why would Nolva work and Ralox not work for gyno symptoms if they are both SERMs? Im not sure. Why does Paxil work for some people with depression symptoms while Cipralex doesnt? Theyre both SSRIs. Thats an impossible questiom to answer and not something you can rely on a piece of paper to tell you. Thats when first hand experinces with things come into play.

Could Ralox work for him? Sure. But why would I tell him it will when I have never seen or read about one case where it has. That would be contradictory if I did that.

Also, If the gyno is small enough it most certainly can go away fully without the need for surgery. I have experinced this with Nolvadex myself and have seen with my own eyes one other case disapear with Nolvadex as well as one with Letrozole. Will it indefinitely disapear, no. But can it? Yes.
 
Ralox worked for me and i'm very grateful for it. I've had gyno issues for like 8 years and ralox is the only thing that did it in.
Recurring gyno and it freaked me out...nolva would knock it out and then a couple of months later come back. Ralox crushed it never to return (thus far).
 
Schredder said:
Everything I write in responce to the fellow members on this board is based on first hand experience and whatI have seen/gone through myself. So, what I stated in post #10 is not contradictory whatsoever. I have seen Nolvadex AND Letro work first hand, and I have read numerous posts by people here, as well as other forums where Ralox did not work. So that is what my responce is based on.

What a piece of paper says about something is not the end all be all in terms of what an individual needs to know about something. Why would Nolva work and Ralox not work for gyno symptoms if they are both SERMs? Im not sure. Why does Paxil work for some people with depression symptoms while Cipralex doesnt? Theyre both SSRIs. Thats an impossible questiom to answer and not something you can rely on a piece of paper to tell you. Thats when first hand experinces with things come into play.

Could Ralox work for him? Sure. But why would I tell him it will when I have never seen or read about one case where it has. That would be contradictory if I did that.

Also, If the gyno is small enough it most certainly can go away fully without the need for surgery. I have experinced this with Nolvadex myself and have seen with my own eyes one other case disapear with Nolvadex as well as one with Letrozole. Will it indefinitely disapear, no. But can it? Yes.
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first hand exp is a VERY small sample size,,,
i combine first hand along with studies and along with user feedback on the subject.

you just said first hand exp but also say " But why would I tell him it will when I have never seen or read about one case where it has."

how could you be on the forums and never seen posted that it does help?
i agree what works for one person may not work for another in the exact same way. but you make statement as if there is little to no chance ralox would even work or be a good option when its the same class and very similar compound. on one hand you say to me you are going based of first hand exp (which is a small sample size to base as fact) but on the other hand you say you havent seen or read it to help?
so which is it?

also ssris they do not even fully understand and tbh i feel they are pretty much BS, though some seem to be helped. (eating a banana a day could help depression symptoms, yet its the thought pattern thats the issue still) and the side effects of ssri.. anyways i feel they would be more restricted, if even on the market. i feel the majority of people need to change the thought pattern on their own and thus change the chemical reaction and levels in the brain associated with the thoughts, not the other way around as big pharma tries to push as the cause and effect. change the thoughts change the chemicals (for most people) there is like 5% out of all people using ssri that actually have a material chemical issues not related to thoughts that ssri or something of that nature may help or be worth it cost vs. effect IMO. to me the ssri topic is a whole other thing, but i do see your point in using that as example.

anyways thats why forums are great to debate.

i stand by ralox then maybe tamox but both will help and letro i would not rec at all unless with high estro and on cycle and never off cycles. if the ralox and tamox wont ride it then crashing estro will likely yeild the same result but with added health consequences not seen with SERMS for gyno. and the next step is gutting it cut out IMO
 
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juced_porkchop said:
first hand exp is a VERY small sample size,,,
i combine first hand along with studies and along with user feedback on the subject.

you just said first hand exp but also say " But why would I tell him it will when I have never seen or read about one case where it has."

how could you be on the forums and never seen posted that it does help?
i agree what works for one person may not work for another in the exact same way. but you make statement as if there is little to no chance ralox would even work or be a good option when its the same class and very similar compound. on one hand you say to me you are going based of first hand exp (which is a small sample size to base as fact) but on the other hand you say you havent seen or read it to help?
so which is it?

also ssris they do not even fully understand and tbh i feel they are pretty much BS, though some seem to be helped. (eating a banana a day could help depression symptoms, yet its the thought pattern thats the issue still) and the side effects of ssri.. anyways i feel they would be more restricted, if even on the market. i feel the majority of people need to change the thought pattern on their own and thus change the chemical reaction and levels in the brain associated with the thoughts, not the other way around as big pharma tries to push as the cause and effect. change the thoughts change the chemicals (for most people) there is like 5% out of all people using ssri that actually have a material chemical issues not related to thoughts that ssri or something of that nature may help or be worth it cost vs. effect IMO. to me the ssri topic is a whole other thing, but i do see your point in using that as example.

anyways thats why forums are great to debate.

i stand by ralox then maybe tamox but both will help and letro i would not rec at all unless with high estro and on cycle and never off cycles. if the ralox and tamox wont ride it then crashing estro will likely yeild the same result but with added health consequences not seen with SERMS for gyno. and the next step is gutting it cut out IMO
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Man, Im not gonna sit here and go back and forth and nit pick at eachothers posts. That isnt going to help the OP in any way, shape, or form. I stand by my posts in this thread as I do ever single post I write. Just because I said it doesnt make it right. And just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it wrong. We have all had different experiences with different things so theres no need to argue with eachother about anything. Every one can say their .02 and Im sure almighty is mature enough to come up with what he thinks is a good option for him.
 
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You can only advise on what you know.... and if 1st hand experience is the way you know something - then even better.

One thing I do know is that both Juced and Schredder have helped more people than most - and will continue to do so.

Both methods have their merits - and both methods are worth advocating to the OP.

If someone has positive personal experience, they are bound to recommend this to a fellow sufferer. That makes total sense to me, it's the way it should be!

Let's hope that the OP can tackle the issue with what we've given him thus far.

And for what it's worth OP: I had a lump a few months back (due to being given bunk AI) - and it cleared up just fine with 6 weeks treatment of Tamox :)
 
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