1st Cycle

[cool-as-ice]

Hello all!

I need all the expert's advice and comments please!!! Thanks guys!

After researching, training extra hard and eating a lot of good food I'm doing my very 1st cycle next week. . .

My stats :
5'6
165 lbs

The plan :
wk 1 to 12 - 500 mg Test E (250 x 2 a week)
wk 1 to 10 - 300 mg Deca
week 2 to PCT - 500iu/wk HCG
week 14 -17 (PCT) - Nolvadex (40/40/20/20)

The questions :

• 
  Should I run Deca for my 1st cycle or hold on to it for the future cycle?

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  If I do run the Deca, should I run Nolvadex during the cycle or just wait if any symptoms appear? Or Should I rather have letro on hands, just in case?

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  Should I run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during my cycle? Is the dosage good. . . too much. . . or it should be done another way?

 

[Carpenter_Guy]

I'm currently on my first cycle of Test E, same as you 500mg (250mg 2 x a wk). From everything I've been told and read here on this forum, a Test only cycle is recommended for the first cycle. I am only one week in and don't really know a whole lot. I'm pretty sure the Veterans will tell you to hold off on the Deca.

 

[Shaun47]

How long have you been training?

And def should hold on to the Deca for a later cycle. You want to see how your body reacts to gear and if your taking two at the same time you won't know which is doing what. Also Test E should be plenty.

5'6 and 165 is pretty stout, but would like to know a little more about you, before recommending gear. (that sounded gay my bad)

 

[italianstallion]

whats ur trainning history.

 

[gator_mclusky]

You can run two if you like. Just do low doses. You could prolly do 250 mgs Tes and 200-300 mgs Deca for 10 wks with great results if you eat right and dont slack on your training.

My first cycle was Test @ 250 mgs and Winstrol @ only 50 mgs e.o.d for 8 wks and gained a solid 18 lbs.

Keep us posted on what you decide and feel free to ask more questions...'

gator

 

[cool-as-ice]

Thanks bro! Keep us posted on how's your cycle going. . . Good luck!

I'm currently on my first cycle of Test E, same as you 500mg (250mg 2 x a wk). From everything I've been told and read here on this forum, a Test only cycle is recommended for the first cycle. I am only one week in and don't really know a whole lot. I'm pretty sure the Veterans will tell you to hold off on the Deca.

 

[cool-as-ice]

Thanks guys for all the replies!

I've been training for a couple of years now, but on and off though. . . I took a long vaca (2 years) from working out when I injured my self in other sports and got busy with my career. I've been back training 4-6x's a week since November. My training consist of :

3-5 days if weightlifting
1-3 days of cardio/tonning

 

[cool-as-ice]

Any help?

whats ur trainning history.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Hows your Diet?

 

[Massive123]

I must say you do sound like youve done some reading if this is your first proposed cycle. Nice looking program, asked the right questions.... Lots seem to say save the deca see how you will react on test. After all is said its your call. Deca/Test is a nice combo I got sick gains on that cycle w/ a little dbol & despite the popular test only 1st cycle theory mine wasnt & I had great gains. Test just seems to be a strong starting point & base of cycles for many reasons.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Here it goes.. Real simple

Test is recommended for your first cycle simply becuase it is going to be the base of all or your cycles. You need to see how your body reacts to the boost in Testosterone. See if you have any problems or sides such as Gyno, Hairloss, etc. If you start off by stacking diff compounds such as dbol and Deca as you state for your first cycle and something goes wrong and you begin to get side effects how do you know which of the compounds is causing it? The answer is you don't. Alot of people feel that stacking this and that will maximize gains blah blah. If its your first go dont get to complex save that for your future cycles. Sure Deca/test/dbol is an awesome stack. But you will have time for that in the Future god willing. Just run test for your 1st time and see how it all goes and go from there. You will be more than happy with Just Test only!

 

[Massive123]

well put Jackie boy. listen to the man. send me your deca!

 

[cool-as-ice]

I've been doing a lot of research and I'm really pretty serious about this! I'm not getting any younger and I want to stay healthy and still look younger!

Did you d the Test E / D Bol / Deca on your 1st cycle? no sides at all? Were you running Nolva or any SERM/AI during the cycle?

I must say you do sound like youve done some reading if this is your first proposed cycle. Nice looking program, asked the right questions.... Lots seem to say save the deca see how you will react on test. After all is said its your call. Deca/Test is a nice combo I got sick gains on that cycle w/ a little dbol & despite the popular test only 1st cycle theory mine wasnt & I had great gains. Test just seems to be a strong starting point & base of cycles for many reasons.

 

[cool-as-ice]

Great advice!

I actually got a lot of guys out there that said the same thing, but some also said that a 300 mg Deca shouldn't be a problem since it's so mild. . . . that's how my confusion started. I do have all the supplies already except for the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) & Nolva (that's why I've been delaying my 1st pin) and I've been wanting to stack it at the same token hold off! Mixed emotions!

How about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? Should I run it during the cycle? if so, what dose & when do I take it? Should I run Nolva during the cycle as well or just wait?

Thanks again for your advice!

Here it goes.. Real simple

Test is recommended for your first cycle simply becuase it is going to be the base of all or your cycles. You need to see how your body reacts to the boost in Testosterone. See if you have any problems or sides such as Gyno, Hairloss, etc. If you start off by stacking diff compounds such as dbol and Deca as you state for your first cycle and something goes wrong and you begin to get side effects how do you know which of the compounds is causing it? The answer is you don't. Alot of people feel that stacking this and that will maximize gains blah blah. If its your first go dont get to complex save that for your future cycles. Sure Deca/test/dbol is an awesome stack. But you will have time for that in the Future god willing. Just run test for your 1st time and see how it all goes and go from there. You will be more than happy with Just Test only!

 

[cool-as-ice]

I eat 6-8 meals per day. . . I basically eat all the calories that I can take! I pack on a lot of good carbs too, that's why I think I have a belly that's pretty hard to get rid off!

Hows your Diet?

 

[Jack Mehoff]

No you dont need to run Nolva during your Cycle. Have it on hand just in case you have signs of Gyno. Dont stack in the Deca. Nolva will just make the deca sides worse. You will need Clomid for the Deca. Just keep it simple Run the Test! Stack the Deca next time. But its your first cycle you have no idea how your body will react to anything. For all you know you might be GYNO prone and your nips will get HUGE PUFFY AND SAGGY just from Test. TEST ONLY!

You can run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu 2x per week to keep your boys hangin low and your natty test levels up. You dont have to but it will help speed your recovery when you come off your cycle and start PCT.

 

[Massive123]

I've been doing a lot of research and I'm really pretty serious about this! I'm not getting any younger and I want to stay healthy and still look younger!

Did you d the Test E / D Bol / Deca on your 1st cycle? no sides at all? Were you running Nolva or any SERM/AI during the cycle?

it was my 3rd cycle I did all three not first. I actually didnt run any nolva or Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I never saw or felt any signs of gyno. For the cycle Im running now, I am using both as itchy nips began to be an issue that I nailed pretty quickly. I think AI's are good regardless of gyno signs now as this cycle Im on I havent gained as much weight as in the past but its all muscle, NO WATER ! Thank god I fuckin hate water weight!

 

[RagingRandy]

Here it goes.. Real simple

Test is recommended for your first cycle simply becuase it is going to be the base of all or your cycles. You need to see how your body reacts to the boost in Testosterone. See if you have any problems or sides such as Gyno, Hairloss, etc. If you start off by stacking diff compounds such as dbol and Deca as you state for your first cycle and something goes wrong and you begin to get side effects how do you know which of the compounds is causing it? The answer is you don't. Alot of people feel that stacking this and that will maximize gains blah blah. If its your first go dont get to complex save that for your future cycles. Sure Deca/test/dbol is an awesome stack. But you will have time for that in the Future god willing. Just run test for your 1st time and see how it all goes and go from there. You will be more than happy with Just Test only!

What he said.....

 

[cool-as-ice]

Thanks bro!

So do I run HCG when I start my cycle? when do I stop it? Does it go right to PCT?

No you dont need to run Nolva during your Cycle. Have it on hand just in case you have signs of Gyno. Dont stack in the Deca. Nolva will just make the deca sides worse. You will need Clomid for the Deca. Just keep it simple Run the Test! Stack the Deca next time. But its your first cycle you have no idea how your body will react to anything. For all you know you might be GYNO prone and your nips will get HUGE PUFFY AND SAGGY just from Test. TEST ONLY!

You can run Hcg 250iu 2x per week to keep your boys hangin low and your natty test levels up. You dont have to but it will help speed your recovery when you come off your cycle and start PCT.